Summer transfer targets/rumours, retained list etc

[robf]

I continue to be amazed at how many fans know the exact figures of the confidential salary package offered to James Gibbons. It's almost like... people will believe any old rumour as gospel truth.

[philmpv]

Don't patronise me. I'm a season ticket holder, been watching Vale for 33 years and class myself as a student of the game. I often study individual players during matches, especially when things aren't quite going to plan. Pett is slow, susceptible to a high press, and too often was a passenger when things weren't going to plan. Things "won't go to plan" more often in league 1. Will he step up? Pett was most effective in those last 2 matches because Gibbo was playing in the back 3. He had more freedom through Gibbos ball carrying. Unfortunately we wouldn't pay him a man's wages so the chemistry to get the most out of Pett has been demolished. I'm looking forward to seeing which ball carrying, hard tackling, maximum commitment centreback we get in to replace him for less than 2k a week...

Haven't we signed Cass, who was the RCB throughout our best run and performances of the season, in a team including Pett?

[Bald Eagle]

5 minutes ago, philmpv said:

9 minutes ago, bobbymanc said:

Don't patronise me. I'm a season ticket holder, been watching Vale for 33 years and class myself as a student of the game. I often study individual players during matches, especially when things aren't quite going to plan. Pett is slow, susceptible to a high press, and too often was a passenger when things weren't going to plan. Things "won't go to plan" more often in league 1. Will he step up? Pett was most effective in those last 2 matches because Gibbo was playing in the back 3. He had more freedom through Gibbos ball carrying. Unfortunately we wouldn't pay him a man's wages so the chemistry to get the most out of Pett has been demolished. I'm looking forward to seeing which ball carrying, hard tackling, maximum commitment centreback we get in to replace him for less than 2k a week...

Haven't we signed Cass, who was the RCB throughout our best run and performances of the season, in a team including Pett?

Now now Phil, you should know better than to put facts ahead of sentiment😉

[cactuselves]

12 minutes ago, bobbymanc said:

'm a season ticket holder, been watching Vale for 33 years and class myself as a student of the game.

In that case, Carol, DC and DF should all bow down and admit they’ve got this all wrong. Can you send them your CV and we can get things back on track🤣

[Guitar Ray]

18 minutes ago, bobbymanc said:

Don't patronise me. I'm a season ticket holder, been watching Vale for 33 years and class myself as a student of the game. I often study individual players during matches, especially when things aren't quite going to plan. Pett is slow, susceptible to a high press, and too often was a passenger when things weren't going to plan. Things "won't go to plan" more often in league 1. Will he step up? Pett was most effective in those last 2 matches because Gibbo was playing in the back 3. He had more freedom through Gibbos ball carrying. Unfortunately we wouldn't pay him a man's wages so the chemistry to get the most out of Pett has been demolished. I'm looking forward to seeing which ball carrying, hard tackling, maximum commitment centreback we get in to replace him for less than 2k a week...

We’re all students of the game, but a lot, myself included, have risen to become armchair managers.  It’s a bit like being a back seat driver, only it makes you more miserable.

[darren1810]

9 hours ago, Bob Newtonian said:

We may not like it but morcombe due to their league 1 status over the last few years probably have a larger budget than us…. Think DC did well with Taylor started him in the play off final at Wembley so not sure what he s got to complain about… basically for the wage he was on he didn’t play enough.. remember he played great at Wembley against 10 men Mansfield when we were well on top…. He played no role in the rest of the season. 
the club is moving on… no more injury prone players hopefully.

They've only been up one season mate. Maybe they've made him one of their top earners ?

[Iron Curtain]

I would have liked Taylor to stay … but I can see the rational of letting him go if we were offered cash.

His season at Scunthorpe and since his return he's not been first choice.

He played well for an hour against Swindon when the team were dominating.

And played very well against 10 men playing the wrong formation at Wembley.

He was woeful against Bristol Rovers. When we needed him to dig in and work hard off the ball he didn’t impress. Wrong position or not, he didn’t adapt and do what we needed. Our system does t allow that… you can hate on the system, but it’s delivered us what we have all wanted in promotion.

Hes a great player to have if we are dominating and it’s all going well. In Aussie cricketing terms, is he a flat track bully?

We aren't going to be ontop much next season so the deal makes sense to me.

Maybe Adams at Morcambe is happy to have one player fluke that around his super super ridged defensive structure.

He wouldn’t have been a first choice for us… so it works for all parties IF we got the money we wanted. I back Flickers to have done that.

[Bycarsbill]

26 minutes ago, robf said:

I continue to be amazed at how many fans know the exact figures of the confidential salary package offered to James Gibbons. It's almost like... people will believe any old rumour as gospel truth.

Well put Rob! I never cease to be amazed at just how many on here have an 'insight' into everything that goes on at PV--I must be msising out somewhere!!!

[Warren]

Having done the analysis it looks like the manager and team think greater turnover in the squad is needed than maybe I expected. So in letting Taylor go they have looked objectively at how many games he has played and also that he is inexperienced at League 1 level. All they are doing retains my confidence about their professionalism and judgement.

[valiant_593]

20 minutes ago, Iron Curtain said:

I would have liked Taylor to stay … but I can see the rational of letting him go if we were offered cash.

His season at Scunthorpe and since his return he's not been first choice.

He played well for an hour against Swindon when the team were dominating.

And played very well against 10 men playing the wrong formation at Wembley.

He was woeful against Bristol Rovers. When we needed him to dig in and work hard off the ball he didn’t impress. Wrong position or not, he didn’t adapt and do what we needed. Our system does t allow that… you can hate on the system, but it’s delivered us what we have all wanted in promotion.

Hes a great player to have if we are dominating and it’s all going well. In Aussie cricketing terms, is he a flat track bully?

We aren't going to be ontop much next season so the deal makes sense to me.

Maybe Adams at Morcambe is happy to have one player fluke that around his super super ridged defensive structure.

He wouldn’t have been a first choice for us… so it works for all parties IF we got the money we wanted. I back Flickers to have done that.

Don’t think it’s fair to say he’s played well only when the rest of the team were dominating or when the opposition picked the wrong side and had 10 men. Yet woeful when the whole team was equally as poor and he was out of position. Regardless of formation he’s not or will never be a CDM or ball winning midfielder especially against probably the strongest side in the league in his first start back from injury. If ever there was scapegoating a player this is it. 

He also won us the game at Hartlepool when the team wasn’t really at it. He’s struggled with injuries yet for others we seem to accept it takes time to come back, for Taylor he’s expected to suddenly become a class ball winning midfielder against the best side in the league after 1 game back.

 

[Alsager Whites]

I'=

[The man in the pub]

he looks thrilled!

Just been told Morecambe are interested in him.

[Emile]

10 minutes ago, Alsager Whites said:

I'm finding it a bit tedious that anyone who offers a different view from consensus is shut down on the basis that 'Flitcroft knows better, Trust the Process'. No attempt to argue with their original point is made - they're dismissed on the basis of being a layman. Appeal to authority, I believe it is called.

Under this rationale, no one can ever discuss anything! Politics, music, art, film, television. All of those things were made by professionals with more training, ergo you can't discuss it as a layman. There's a predictable cycle at present - event happens, fans offer comment from their own perspective, same 5 people respond with 'you're just a fan, Flitcroft runs the club so trust the process!'. And repeat... dull as dishwater to read!

Flitcroft has got things wrong since he came in. He's got far more right, but there is a few signings which were clearly not correct. Can we discuss the actual merits of the decisions instead of retreating behind sentiments such as "I never cease to be amazed at just how many on here have an 'insight' into everything that goes on at PV--I must be msising out somewhere!!!" and "In that case, Carol, DC and DF should all bow down and admit they’ve got this all wrong.", quoted from the last page alone!

The cumulative hours of football watched on this forum is in the many thousands of hours. Fans offer a perspective on things without the personal biases that can come from working at a club full-time. It's silly and very boring to dismiss their views because they're not David Flitcroft. Mindless moaning for its own sake is of course rubbish, but some people make cogent points at times and are dismissed out of hand as there's this invisible process we should be following, with no one explaining exactly what said process entails!

A few posters, understandably, approach decisions made by the club as inherently positive. Any decision the club makes is the right one. Trust the Process. I can get it, as we had a very good season last year, but I've been a Valiant long enough to retain and trust my own evaluation on things. Trust the Process is becoming a tedious trope, funny at first to lampoon Pope, but now becoming a shield to avoid actual discussion of Port Vale 'summer transfer targets/rumours'. 

Just my two-penneth. I enjoy nothing more with a good football discussion with differing views with my brother in the Lorne Street, but since I decided to start posting Onevalefan appears to have become trusttheprocess.com.

I think people are just trying to stay calm and wait for the end of the window before deciding if it has been a success or not. If we make no new additions / sales between now and the window closing I can't see many people saying this has been a success. But what people mean when they say 'trust the process' is they believe PVFC will get things right as they have done before - the players leaving will be replaced by better players and overall, we will have a better squad than last season. That's where I stand anyway.

[philpvfc]

At the end of the day Morecambe are favourites to go down last time I looked so it is hardly a step up for him bar the fact he will stand a better chance of getting first team football. DC hasn’t played him correctly but Taylor was never going to be picked above Conlan, Walker, Garrett or Pett and rightly so. Good luck to him but although Martin isn’t a first division player we are more need on a good replacement for him, the selling of Martin ahead of someone else coming in should be more of a talking point.

[ginginator]

There is a lot more than wanting to sign a player. You may have to relocate, find schools for kids in some cases. Wage demands, contract length and more.

These things take time, trust the process# is fine but these things are facts, transfers take time, especially if you want stability in your squad. 

Some of our best players have settled in the area, after their careers. All these things need looking after, its not just we want you to play and pay you x. You need the balance.