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9 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Sam Ricketts, ex-Shrewsbury, has had his odds shortened (14 to 8). Would suggest a bet or two has been placed on him.

As things stand Pugh is the clear favourite and then Coughlan, Murray, and Ricketts seem the next most-likely options.

I personally wouldn't want any of those.

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Check out wiki.  He's run the family business with his brother and father for 15 years and has his own football academy.  He's not been "just" a player and manager.  In view of the amount of crit

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On 15/01/2021 at 10:17, Rampant Zebra said:

The body language between Sinclair and Pugh in the technical area doesn't suggest that they get on well. 

It could be that its a needs must at the moment,i am sure if Pugh got the position permanently he would like to bring his own man in and Sinclair would go back to the youth team

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On 14/01/2021 at 20:43, MBE said:

I've noticed quite a few posters are against Sinclair. I certainly don't want him as manager but I'm interested why posters are against him as a coach alongside Pugh?

People keep suggesting he's out for his own personal game and will stab Pugh in the back to become manager.

I have zero idea where these strange delusions come from.

They're very, very harmful for Sinclair, and have no basis of truth, who I'm sure is a consummate professional and wants to see the club succeed.

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Some still think Sinclair an option because he is loud and passionate ?  Those who advocate him as manager should go back to the Rudgie era - with his side kick Pejic.   One was far more well known than the other, one had played at a far higher level.  Rudgie was the quieter one of the pair and Pej was the fire breathing Dragon. Rudgie was not known for his managerial attributes when he was appointed from within, he just happened to be around at the time.  The situation is very similar now and I would keep going with Pugh to see how it goes, whilst still looking for new manager options. Good businesses dont think about getting rid of a manager and THEN think what type of replacement do we want/require. Good businesses plan ahead and already know what the replacement should be like. I hope Carol and Kev take time to think long and hard about the next appointment as it should be one that will last a long successful time .

 

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On 14/01/2021 at 20:43, MBE said:

I've noticed quite a few posters are against Sinclair. I certainly don't want him as manager but I'm interested why posters are against him as a coach alongside Pugh?

I think you just have to look into his past coaching history and what they think of him at Hungerford where they say he ruined young players,just told them play wherever and liked the 4-0-6 system plus his arrival seems to have coincided with a lot of problems at the club,personally i think we should steer clear

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47 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

think you just have to look into his past coaching history and what they think of him at Hungerford where they say he ruined young players,just told them play wherever and liked the 4-0-6 system plus his arrival seems to have coincided with a lot of problems at the club,personally i think we should steer clear

Was he even a qualified coach at Hungerford? I don;t know.. genuine question. Hope he has learnt a lot since then. if not look forward to 4-0-6 on Saturday.

I think our club problems and his specific arrival are more likely a coincidence.

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2 hours ago, werstayinup said:

Have to be honest i cant see any further than it being Pugh and get 4 points out of the next 2 games then i cant see a reason why not,either way i wouldn't want Ricketts thats for sure.

Get 9 points from next 3 games,which is possible,then who knows?

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From a personal point of view the problems I have with Frank are as follow. First his managerial/coaching record is poor. Second, he rocks up as youth team coach I believe and the youth team haven't won a game. But anyway he then gets promoted. Coinciding with a dive in our league form. Then he becomes assistant. Now he is effectively the boss.

I don't like his ranting from the sidelines*, he seems a bit of a Billy big gonads. I  don't see what he has done to earn the position he has engineered himself into to be honest. 

*Most is not motivational, tactical,  just abusive really. 

 

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On 14/01/2021 at 20:43, MBE said:

I've noticed quite a few posters are against Sinclair. I certainly don't want him as manager but I'm interested why posters are against him as a coach alongside Pugh?

I don't know anything about Sinclair other than what I've read in his public profile on wiki. Great record as a player but I took one look at his coaching/managerial record and thought No thank you.

I wouldn't want anyone with such a mediocre record anywhere near the manager's job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sinclair

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1 hour ago, toyahw said:

Second, he rocks up as youth team coach I believe and the youth team haven't won a game

From Wikipedia: 

He was appointed as the club's head of coaching development five months later, saying that "I see a key part of my role as bridging the gap between the younger players and the first team"

So, he's not responsible for youth team results, he's more responsible for brining youngsters into the first-team. I would imagine that's Vale looking at the limit on over 21s and looking for someone to get some youngsters to step up.

It's probably a grey area exactly what that role is and when/what results should be expected but I don't think it's as simple as the youth team coach on the sidelines getting results in matches.

Probably a more accurate judgement on his success/failure will be how many of the youth team get into the first-team and establish themselves under his watch. That's probably not something that can be judged until the summer retained list at the earliest.

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I have no issue with Pugh/Sinclair being caretaker but still fail to see what they've done to 'earn their chance/deserve a crack' at the full-time job.

Pugh has been a coach under two sacked managers. Sinclair the last one. Sinclair's record is appalling.

They deserve a chance no more than any external applicant. Not massively keen on the preferential treatment they seem to be getting in this race. As people have said, through circumstance Sinclair will be our manager for the next two, which is fairly ludicrous.

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17 hours ago, werstayinup said:

Have to be honest i cant see any further than it being Pugh and get 4 points out of the next 2 games then i cant see a reason why not,either way i wouldn't want Ricketts thats for sure.

Pugh is isolating at home for the next two games so I'm not sure what, if any, effect our results in those matches will have on his prospects as manager.

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8 minutes ago, Joe B said:

I would prefer wholesale change. Something isn't right about the current set up.

Like what? I'm just interested. Performances suggest after 2 games that it's an improvement under Pugh. I'm not fussed either way but given the pandemic, finances etc, perhaps we can't afford anymore.

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1 minute ago, CAVALIER said:

Like what? I'm just interested. Performances suggest after 2 games that it's an improvement under Pugh. I'm not fussed either way but given the pandemic, finances etc, perhaps we can't afford anymore.

Can't put my finger on it, or really explain it. The club feels like it's been in shambles for months and I would prefer a clean break. I'm not really sure Pugh deserves a chance any more than anybody else, considering he's now been on the coaching staff for two sacked managers.

If finances dictate then, yep, nothing we can do.

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