May on the way??

[For Us All]

The Maybot is now a spent force and so this thread needs changing now to Boris on the way.

[Warren]

Is anyone else a little concerned that there were actually 9 MPs who thought Esther McVey would make a good Prime Minister?

 

Her boyfriend was one of the nine. But that aside Esther is a highly educated and successful business woman. She didn't just become an MP after doing absolutely nothing else - like Corbyn.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Her boyfriend was one of the nine. But that aside Esther is a highly educated and successful business woman. She didn't just become an MP after doing absolutely nothing else - like Corbyn.

 

Here's the "highly educated" Esther McVey, speaking yesterday (thanks to Ginge)...

 

“We know airports have been built [using foreign aid] and actually the runways are in the wrong direction because of the winds… it’s in one of the continents abroad. We know we’ve got that airport where we can’t take off and land because of the winds, the cross winds there.”

 

Talking about Saint Helena, which is a British Overseas Territory (so not a recipient of foreign aid)... and it wasn't built the wrong way...the wind shear was too severe for commercial planes to land there at the time.

 

and here's what Wikipedia has to say about your "successful business woman"...

 

From 2000 to 2006, McVey was a director of her family's Liverpool-based construction business J. G. McVey & Co. (run by her father) which specialised in demolition and site clearance, land reclamation and regeneration. In 2003, the firm received two immediate prohibition safety notices with which it complied. Her father has since said that she was "only there in name".

 

What a success! What a brain she has!

 

What are you going to do when Corbyn rips Johnson a new one at the next general election?

[For Us All]

I'm more concerned Boris Johnson topped the first Tory Poll. Lying scoundrel, what does it say for the rest of those in the Tory Leadership race and what does it say about the Tory MP's who voted for him.

 

Assuming he does become PM, what message/image of the UK does it send to the rest of the world, "We don't care what lies we tell to get our way?" comes to mind.

 

Jezza's tells lies which are true and then denies it,work that one out?

[Regal Beagle]

I'm more concerned Boris Johnson topped the first Tory Poll. Lying scoundrel, what does it say for the rest of those in the Tory Leadership race and what does it say about the Tory MP's who voted for him.

 

Assuming he does become PM, what message/image of the UK does it send to the rest of the world, "We don't care what lies we tell to get our way?" comes to mind.

 

It's surely better than "we don't care about the results of democratic votes..."?

[Howjy04]

I'd be more concerned if 9 MP's thought Corbyn would.

 

Corbyn will be toast if /when Brexit is delivered.In fact he’s not even in control of a political party let alone the country.

[Essex Vale]

Is anyone else a little concerned that there were actually 9 MPs who thought Esther McVey would make a good Prime Minister?

 

Of even greater concern should be the huge majority of Labour party members who, in their thousands, have twice voted for Mr Corbyn to be their leader. I am thinking back in history and trying hard to recall a PM who had integrity and a track record of improving life in our country. Many have met one of those criteria I think perhaps Clement Atlee was the last PM to do both. I suspect that whoever is our next PM will also fall short.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Of even greater concern should be the huge majority of Labour party members who, in their thousands, have twice voted for Mr Corbyn to be their leader. I am thinking back in history and trying hard to recall a PM who had integrity and a track record of improving life in our country. Many have met one of those criteria I think perhaps Clement Atlee was the last PM to do both. I suspect that whoever is our next PM will also fall short.

 

Oh yes, it's of huge concern that Corbyn has transformed the Labour Party and increased its membership so it's now one of the biggest parties in Western Europe and recently gained the largest increase in vote share in decades. Also worrying how he has enthused vast swathes of younger, previously apathetic voters and is putting the poor and vulnerable, and the environment to the fire of policy. Very troubling indeed.

 

Anyway, isn't this thread supposed to be about the tory leadership?

[mr.hobblesworth]

Corbyn will be toast if /when Brexit is delivered.In fact he’s not even in control of a political party let alone the country.

 

Ha ha! Yep, the Tories will definitely gain the upper hand when we get to focus on their record in government. They've made such a success of thir 9 years in power, things have really improved.

[philpvfc]

I'm more concerned Boris Johnson topped the first Tory Poll. Lying scoundrel, what does it say for the rest of those in the Tory Leadership race and what does it say about the Tory MP's who voted for him.

 

Assuming he does become PM, what message/image of the UK does it send to the rest of the world, "We don't care what lies we tell to get our way?" comes to mind.

 

Why do you not like Boris yet you like Trump?

[Essex Vale]

Oh yes, it's of huge concern that Corbyn has transformed the Labour Party and increased its membership so it's now one of the biggest parties in Western Europe and recently gained the largest increase in vote share in decades. Also worrying how he has enthused vast swathes of younger, previously apathetic voters and is putting the poor and vulnerable, and the environment to the fire of policy. Very troubling indeed.

 

Anyway, isn't this thread supposed to be about the tory leadership?

 

It is a concern that he supported the IRA and Hamas. It is of concern that his management of the party is anti semitic, that he allows his staff to ignore party rules, that he refuses to engage with UK allies, that he has no track record of succeeding in anything, that he is in the pocket of Len McCluskey of Unite. Those are concerns of substance.

[Warren]

Oh yes, it's of huge concern that Corbyn has transformed the Labour Party and increased its membership so it's now one of the biggest parties in Western Europe and recently gained the largest increase in vote share in decades. Also worrying how he has enthused vast swathes of younger, previously apathetic voters and is putting the poor and vulnerable, and the environment to the fire of policy. Very troubling indeed.

 

Anyway, isn't this thread supposed to be about the tory leadership?

 

Yes, younger people travelling light in life and with a wide social network tend to support socialism.

 

The problem here is not that. It is that Corbyn and his admirers are Marxist or believe in Trotsky or the little red book. So we have seen these people in office. We have seen the totalitarian regimes of the Soviet block, for example, which Corbyn was a great admirer of. And we have seen them in office in the UK in the 1980's and 1990's in Liverpool, many London Boroughs etc. They were a catastrophe. I know that up close as an ex employee of the Audit Commission who audited the finances and performance of these Councils.

 

Unfortunately, the young don't see that Corbyn is an anti semite who attended a commemoration of the PLO and its assassination of Israeli athletes at Munich in 1972. They also don't see the way in which communists take power and introduce totalitarianism. Say anything now to look credible and then infiltrate the public services etc.

 

So in the case of Liverpool, under militant tendency, the officers are man marked by effectively full time political representatives following them round. There are hundreds or even thousands more committee meetings where decisions are scrutinised to ensure the unions perspective is always favoured. Notice I said union, not customer or public, because the main characteristic of Liverpool at that time was inept public services much worse than today.

 

And so to the financial crisis this brings. Creating capital receipts by selling of in a fire sale the city centre assets off the Council for poor value. Having a £150 million budget gap. Having a stunningly high level of benefit fraud and corruption right through the Council. And so it goes on.

 

No the younger generation have not seen the iron curtain nor Marxists in power in the UK. The important thing about Boris Johnson is that he will focus on Corbyn et al personally. The completely useless Maybot can barely step in to public competently, but Boris is a heavyweight politician and the time of reckoning for the Labour Party is coming. The main beneficiaries, probably the Lib Dems, and especially if there are large numbers of defections to that party from labour MPs as an election draws near and the Marxists replace the sitting MPS.

 

The only hope for the Labour party were to be if Tom Watson could wrestle his way in to office. He is credible and might be able to save things. As for being the largest party. Well if you make entry incredibly cheap it is a wide open door for the loon left to join. And that is what has happened. And very long standing and highly respected MPs like Frank Field in Birkenhead are suddenly abused by a football hooligan type of person using social media as well and forced to stand aside from the Labour whip.

 

Yes this is supposed to be about the Tory leadership election. The last one got us the Maybot, giving Corbyn a chance she was so inept at the last GL, and getting us in to this EU exit situation. A primary cause of that, Leadsom, got terminated yesterday and that is some sort of solace. But it is critical a heavyweight politician comes in to office who carries persona world wide. And Boris ticks that box and he is going to win the Tory election by a mile. A person who will also do well out of this as a loser is Rory Stewart. Expect his diplomacy background to come to centre stage in senior office post Boris winning.

 

By the way. In Merseyside there 15 constituencies. At present two of those MPs have left the Labour Party. One because of anti semitic abuse and death threats, received whilst pregnant from her local party members. Luciana Berger. And Frank Field, who give up attending local party meetings because they were abusive and menacing meetings. So one of the Labour Party's most ardent fighters for social justice has left the party. There is a good chance that if these two MPs choose to stand again they could get elected as independents. Probably only Frank Field will do that.

[TheSage]

I am thinking back in history and trying hard to recall a PM who had integrity and a track record of improving life in our country. Many have met one of those criteria I think perhaps Clement Atlee was the last PM to do both. I suspect that whoever is our next PM will also fall short.

 

Interesting point to ponder. You might well be right.

[Fosse69]

Will Boris appear on TV to say what he is about? Or is he only concerned in the recorded ballots?

[Warren]

Will Boris appear on TV to say what he is about? Or is he only concerned in the recorded ballots?

 

Boris is highly competent and very quick thinking in public domain. He has got past his personal problems with a divorce that hindered his work as Foreign Secretary. So he could take on anyone in that environment. But of course he is in the lead and will best defend that position by being low profile.

 

The TV debate is worthy in democratic terms. But I am concerned it leads to a discussion that is unhelpful in the national interest. By that I nean that the management of Parliament and the approach to negotiating with the EC, EU Parliament and EU Leaders etc. needs some keeping under wraps - if I take the way business negotiations and international diplomacy work. So there is a conflict between the best tactical management in the time remaining and democracy.

 

As I have a vote in this I am going to vote for Boris except if he big time drops the ball. I think we need a heavyweight politician and not a sort of back office administrator like the Maybot. I think 70-90% of Tory membership are in the same place as me on that.

 

To look at resolution, something is going to have to give. And as Portillo has outlined that is likely to be the backstop in Ireland being limited to Northern Ireland and not the whole UK. It may require a referendum to get that approved, but as a remain voting country it should get through. Boris will be able to win the next general election with confidence, so unlike the Maybot he can decouple the DUP. Now that isn't the discussion to have on live TV now. It needs to be unleashed with time running down in late July.