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  1. Southend deserves a much better football team than it has. I look at the model put in place for the new Bury FC, based on the German idea of fan ownership, with financial input from a backer and a sympathetic local authority which helps incorporate the club into local life. That is the way to go. Southend ought to be able to attract good ownership, but I feel that Ron Martin, the current owner, has fended off other people. over the years. In some ways he reminds me of the late Bill Bell. Both achieved great things for their club but they did not know quite when to let go. Backing Phil Brown to lead them out of non-league was a desperate measure. I am not entirely sure what Stan Colleymore will bring to the table, other than publicity.
  2. I suspect Bolton will recall him. It works both ways. We sent Jordan Hugill on loan to Gateshead, he did well, we recalled him, then he did well for us. That's how it is
  3. Good draw, a home game, and a chance to test ourselves against a team in the higher league, it is what the Cup used to be about
  4. Salford were quick to off load him. My view is that John Askey panicked a little bit in pre season 2020 and he was not willing to wait a bit longer before trying to get Jake Taylor on loan for a second time, hence we lost out to Scunthorpe. I think Askey signed Danny as a bits and pieces player would could fill in at defensive midfield, full back, and occasionally attacking midfield. So what we had was a player who has never really cut it in the FL signed as a fill in. Whilst he could do a job in different areas on the pitch he was never going to excel. Our current manager quickly worked him out. Nothing against Danny, I think his level is national league, and that is a good level to play at. I hope he gets his career back on track at Altrincham.
  5. This is shocking and dreadful news. I live in Essex, although not in Sir David's constituency. In a previous job I spoke to him on a number of occasions, sometimes about issues around Southend United, but mostly about issues around street crime in his constituency This incident is absolutely awful. Whatever we think of our politicians, now is the time for the traditional MPs surgeries to be held in abeyance until appropriate security can be provided. RIP Sir David
  6. I agree with the previous posters. I hope he gets the job, it is a good fit for him with location and he knows that level well. Telford are, in non-league terms, an under performer. They should be higher, let's see.
  7. He came across as a good team player, who is committed to work hard. Andy Crosby clearly knows him from Northern Ireland (despite Danny's strong Yorkshire accent) so he must have recommended him to the gaffer in the first place. To stay around on trial for a couple of months says a lot for his resilience. Let's hope he has a good career with us.
  8. Joe Cardle, remember him, made a bit of history yesterday by scoring the first goal in the Scottish League for Kelty Hearts in their derby against Cowdenbeath. Joe looked a real menace on the left wing. He has had a long career, he made his debut for us 16 years ago. Never quite made it for us but he has had a good career in Scotland.
  9. RIP Derek, although the semi final took place before I was born I saw Derek play in the 1964 testimonial for Roy Sproson and Selwyn Whalley. Jacko, I think you will find that the oldest living former Vale player is Bily Bingham.
  10. It is a blight on football that a man with more than one criminal conviction for violence, including violence in a football environment can be employed as a manager. Added to this is his wanton disregard for the internal rules on gambling in football. How can any football club reassure parents of young players that their son (and daughter) will be well looked after, supported, and valued by any club that seeks to employ someone with this record of past misdemeanours in its most important and prominent position in the club. He is not being victimised for a one off lapse of judgement, or a one off action when the red mist descended. The Football Association should have a fitness to manage test before agreeing that anyone can be appointed to such a position by a club within their purview. For those who say innocent until proven guilty, I am not talking about his current arrest. My comments are based entirely on his record to date for events for which he has been proven guilty. The current situation is a case of domestic violence where the victim has not formally complained. That happens often in domestic violence cases where the alleged perpetrator has a record of past violence and the alleged victim is too traumatised to formalise a complaint. Without any doubt at all, Mr Barton's profile matches that description. That man needs some serious counselling to change his behaviour. Unless, and until that happens, he should not be holding the position that he does at any professional football club.
  11. Ernie Moss was a good footballer, who did not quite have the natural ability to get right to the very top of his profession. His physical and moral courage on the pitch were at the highest possible level. His commitment to his team was total. His reliability was beyond question. I first saw him in 1969 playing for Chesterfield. He stood out then as a strong leader of the line. A man of great tenacity, a wonderful header of a ball. A man who was unflustered in front of goal, who knew how to score. When he signed for us in 1981 I could hardly believe that we had managed to get him. On the field his legs were not particularly fast, his brain was superfast and got him in the right place at the right time. He was with us for only just over 18 months. The fact that he is remembered with such fondness, and held in so high a regard underlines his qualities. Port Vale have been blessed over the years to have players with the heart of a lion, and the honesty of a saint. No one epitomised these qualities more than Ernie Moss.
  12. Fosse thanks for pointing out the political forum, I had, as you envisaged, missed that particular original message. Your helpful reply puts context into the presence of the post. I am grateful for your explanation. I now understand why a political comment has been made. Geosname I take great exception to your referring to my emotionally charged reply. I urge you to read my post again and find anything that is emotionally charged. In my view your comments about Jo Cox in the context of this thread are distasteful. You disagree. I made no comment about the relevance of relationships of the candidates so I struggle to see how you can say a comment I did not make is emotionally charged. I note that you have not yet taken any action to correct the heading of your post, in which you refer to a constituency that does not exist. Neither have you acknowledged or apologised for the error. I fully accept that is a genuine mistake that is easy to make. I had anticipated that an administrator would have taken the opportunity to provide a correction so as to ensure accuracy. I have no wish to engage in further communication with you on this matter because you are being overly defensive. The only relevant point you made in your reply was to say that a political section exists. The abrupt manner in which you made that point is in marked contrast to helpful explanation that Fosse provided. I feel that you are falling short of the standard of engagement that a forum user could reasonably expect from an administrator. Goodbye.
  13. Money sent, no preference for who we sponsor, happy with the name that the majority come up with
  14. I am wondering what all this has got to do with Port Vale? If I want to know about politics I will go on to another site. If there is a comment about the MP for the constituency in which Port Vale are located that would be relevant. I am disappointed that an administrator for this site can start such an overt political thread and lace it with a distasteful comment about a MP who was brutally murdered by an anarchist extremist. I also feel the need to point out, not because I am being pedantic, but because if you are going to talk about a by election in a constituency, get the name of the constituency correct. Betley is a village in North Staffordshire not far from here. The election was held in BATLEY. I rather hope that Rob will take a view on this unacceptable post.
  15. Rob yes great thinking, I will contribute
  16. Even if you missed any, it would be very difficult to find more successful trialists than these 5
  17. Jimmy Greenhoff signed for Manchester United in 1976 when he was at the height of his powers. It was 5 years later before he signed for us, and he went to Crewe before us. (I see that others beat me to it with their reply on this one. Skeels only played about 5 games for us, he was well past it when we signed him, he was age 37.)
  18. Others have already stated that we signed John Lumsdon and Tony Lacy on loan from Stoke, there is another one from just before Lumsdon, that is Brian Bithell. He was a midfielder who played only a couple of games, he later went to Wimbledon. We did not sign Tony Lacy on loan to get round transfer rules, the rules were much simpler then. We signed him because we needed a bit of steel in midfield. He did very well for us so we then signed him for a free. John Ruggiero never played for us. Terry Lees was signed for a fee. Going back even further Jack Mudie and Ron Wilson were signed as a package for, what was in those days, a large fee. I am pretty sure that John Lumsdon was the last loan player we had from Stoke.
  19. That is one of those games that will live in the memory of every Vale fan who was there. The next game was at Maine Road where we beat Man City 1-0. Can you imagine it!
  20. Everyone would express surprise at Scott Brown. However, we need to consider how much money he was being paid. Can we get a good GK for less? Yes we probably can. We can never look at a single decision in isolation. Clearly the manager wants to free up as much of his budget as he can. By letting Scott go we may have a bit more in the pot to recruit a desperately needed quality left back, or a good striker. One could argue that we could then offer Scott a much lower deal to stay. That would only drag things out and quite probably lead to resentment. Letting players go before their game deteriorates significantly is an important decision for a manager. Let's sit tight, and see who he brings in.
  21. On his day Monty is a fabulous player at this level. We all know that he does not have a great record for shaking of injuries so it is fair to say he is a bit fragile. His day does not come as often as we would wish. If he could add consistency and robustness to his game he could play at championship level. He is a very nice, loyal man, who has served us well. In terms of improving, it is fair to say that his game is not going to get any better. I think our manager wants players who are robust physically, and have the capacity to improve the team, as well as improve themselves. Look at the improvement Tom Conlon has made over the last season and a bit. That is the template set for improvement of an individual in games. If Monty is able to secure a decent move for himself at this stage in his career I wish him well. He deserves to get a nice contract if he goes elsewhere. I am sure he would always get a good welcome from fans here.
  22. Wasn't that Mick Cullerton, on his way to a hatrick? The Cullerton hat trick game against Chester was in the league cup in 1967. That game was particularly significant because it led to us being kicked out of the Football League. Mick Cullerton was given a bonus, as was the whole team. It was all recorded in the minutes. Nice bonus for a great win. However, it was not part of their contract and this, along with some other payments were illegal and resulted in our expulsion. I remember that game well. Of course none of us at the time realised the significance of it all.
  23. For me, my first game was 60 years and 2 days ago. It wasn't even at Vale Park, but at the Victoria Ground Stoke. It was the final of the Supporters Club Trophy. We won 1-0, with an own goal. My first game at Vale Park was in 1962 a 2-2 draw with Wrexham, so the first Vale players I saw score a goal were Colin Grainger and Bert Llewellyn
  24. I like Manny as a player. I think we all do. He made his league debut 9 years ago. In those 9 years he has a career average of 21 games and 2 goals a season. In his 3 years at Port Vale he has a club average of 21 games and 2 goals a season. Tom Conlon signed for the club at the same time as Manny and has averaged 36 games a season and 4 goals a season. Leon Legge also signed at the same time, he averages 38 games and 3 goals a season. Those stats speak for themselves. Good luck Manny, I am sure he has a nice contract from Chesterfield that will pay him a good salary to play at that level, for 2 years. I hope he does well there. For Port Vale, we need to have a smaller squad of fit, injury free players. Jake Taylor now has a great opportunity to show that bit of steel the manager wants to see from him.
  25. Like most other fans, I am happy with the appointment. I hope she has a fabulous game.
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