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5 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

Serious question have any of your 200+ posts not been just anti askey?

For me i couldnt give a monkeys chuff if he goes now or not,games have been crap and i have never been a massive fan of Askey but no point me kicking and screaming i leave the decisions to the woman whose club it is,a very clever and hard business woman,i want vale to start winning and win every game but i get the feeling SOME want us to keep losing so askey is replaced,if thats the case then thats sad imo as i never want vale lose

 

There were plenty of times I praised him last season. Last season he deserved a lot of praise from everyone. This season after a good start he's been abysmal at times, and those times are becoming more and more frequent. Hence the criticism.

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Wtf is wrong with people? Carol and Kevin paid many times over the odds to save this club.  They have financed it through Covid, done tremendous community work in the name of the club and have be

Don't talk rubbish, Tyler.  It's just that I'm considerably older than most of you lot and so I've seen all this before.  That's why I don't think we're going to win the league every time we get three

Tonight was a culmination of several weeks. We're just, fundamentally, not a playoff side. Yes, we had suspensions and absences. Stevenage had won 4 in 49 before tonight, and 1 so far this s

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3 hours ago, Emile said:

I think we can turn this around. I really hate that if someone looses a few games and the team play so badly you sack the manager - but improvements are really needed from the players and the manager.

- We need to stop conceeding late goals regularly
- We need to have more shots and play more attacking football

- We need to win some <ovf censored> football matches.

You're right in what we need.

The question is can JA play a different way to have more shots, more attacking football to give us a greater chance of winning whilst conceding less late goals. 

The evidence suggests no.

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Its embarrassing to be a Vale fan at the moment! To loose to a non league side then another side who but for macs demise would be non league is worrying to say  the least. I can accept we have been a little unlucky in a few of the games but I cannot except sloppy and half hearted attitudes. The players should be hanging there heads in shame and giving back half there wages to the owners because there are only playing to half there worth.

I can accept loosing but I cannot accept lack of effort and commitment  we really need some steel and guts in the side, some bums need kicking and a few teacups thrown. I am very worried and concerned I just hope things can be turn around and quick.  

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19 hours ago, Joe B said:

I don't doubt that, but I think she's the type to go long-term and not make a decision like this mid-season. There isn't a gluttony of good managers free and available, so I think she'll prefer to hold tight and limp to May before crunch time falls.

Carol wants top 7 at the very least FACT she isnt happy with things right now FACT will she make a knee jerk reaction decision i doubt it,is askey untouchable NO she is a business woman and a clever one,she will be hurting trust me on that,he will be in charge saturday and possibly bolton imo

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19 hours ago, TylerB said:

 

We all praise Carol, and rightly so. But if she doesn't say a big thank you but also a goodbye to Askey this evening then it shows a lack of ambition on her part.

Unbelievable comment to say she lacks ambition....wow

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47 minutes ago, Joe B said:

Probably end up being a long post this.

I don't think we need an 'experienced' or 'proven' manager. 

People point to the failures of Bruno, Brown, and Aspin as evidence that Port Vale needed a League Veteran, but that was under the most incompetent and volatile chairman in the Football League. He was appointing inadequate managers, and then giving them THE worst possible situation to succeed in (not defending any of them for their failures, mind).

However, things are different now. We have a proper owner, who has developed all facets of the club to ensure it has been steady and survived a financial crisis, engaging local businesses and raising our profile in the media. The players are looked after and we are happy to reward good performances with contract. Askey got given a 3 year deal off the back of a decent run of games in March/April 2019. 

As a consequence, I don't see an equivalence is us appointing a young, fresh manager this week, for example, and us appointing one under Smurthwaite. It might be the lift the club needs. We're never going to financially compete for the proper big names, and people bandying around names such as the Cowleys, Adkins, or Cook are not being realistic. If we want an 'experienced' manager who will come to Port Vale, we're looking at Simon Grayson.

Here's something interesting; the top 3 last year were managed by three relatively young, relatively new managers; Artell was in his first job, Lowe was in his 2nd full season (promoted in both), Wellens was in his 2nd full season. Of the top 7, Duff was in his first job at Cheltenham, Taylor was in his first job at Exeter, McGreal was in his first job at Colchester. Only Curle bucked the trend.

This season; Flynn, top, is in his first job, Duff, second,  in his first job, Bonner, third, is in his first job, Beech, sixth, is in his first job. 

These clubs have garnered success by taking punts on managers; younger coaches with new ideas, either in their first job or their second full season as managers. Whilst you could point to Curle, their promotion was slightly fortuitous and I wouldn't have bet on them making the top 7 if the season hadn't stopped.

My overriding point is that we do not need to fall back on the trope of 'get an old head in' because Micky was good in 2012 and Norman appointed a load of frauds and chucked them to the lions. 

We've got a well-run club and will get some really good applicants in. Carol knows what she's doing and might find a diamond of a coach, currently assistant elsewhere (remember a lad called John Rudge?) or coaching at an elite academy, who is desperate for a proper managerial job.

Just my view; we won't go down so don't need a dinosaur to bully the players to 50 points. Port Vale are never going to spend their way to success. We've got some foundations of a reasonable side, which needs a bit of better recruitment, more innovative tactics, and a bit of a refresh.

I've called for out of the box recruitment for years, and maybe we need to take a leaf out of all of the other successful sides at this level and be a bit 'left-field' in the dugout too.

Brian Horton it is.

 

That is a good post Joe.

The only point i'd take you up on is the ' out of the box recruitment '.

We tried that with a certain Mr Sinnott. I believe Southend also went a bit leftfield with was it the Weymouth boss who is i believe not yet 40.

There is out of the box and out of the box. 

No disrespect here but does Carol know her managers ? After all she was a fan like ourselves and not a huge aficionado of the game by her own admission.

 

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19 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

I'm not connected so you know nothing.  I've been inside the club once this season and that was to pick up a signed shirt.

Just out of interest, how much do you reckon it would cost to sack the manager, his staff and appoint a replacement at a time when the club has no income.  Not saying it shouldn't happen, just wondering how you'd finance it.

Jean,money would be there if needed and i am sure(not 100%) that the contract did have a so many months payable clause(eg 6mths) but as you say a new backroom team would have to be funded,if it were to happen one thing i am confident of is that we wont have to scrape the barrel or go for a cheap option anymore,having said that i have seen people mention paul cook and the cowleys on social media not a chance in hell.... i would like see us poach one doing well at another club.

The worry is the managers who will apply like sol campbell,ricketts just sacked by shrews and the like,they only have to come across and bang...its a tricky job to choose

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19 hours ago, Joe B said:

The list isn't inspiring.

Fans mentioning Danny Cowley and Paul Cook are barmy; they're Championship managers. Nigel Adkins, League 1 at his lowest.

We're looking at the likes of Simon Grayson, for example, or whoever is doing well in non-league (or an internal appointment, like Sinclair or Pugh).

Must say, I wouldn't mind the Harrogate manager, who is doing a great job. 

It's all nebulous, as Askey isn't going. He won't walk, and Carol won't sack mid-season.

If i was to choose right now off the top of my head and if you go on win ratios i would say Graham Alexander

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48 minutes ago, werstayinup said:

Serious question have any of your 200+ posts not been just anti askey?

For me i couldnt give a monkeys chuff if he goes now or not,games have been crap and i have never been a massive fan of Askey but no point me kicking and screaming i leave the decisions to the woman whose club it is,a very clever and hard business woman,i want vale to start winning and win every game but i get the feeling SOME want us to keep losing so askey is replaced,if thats the case then thats sad imo as i never want vale lose

Correct - no real Vale fan - under any circumstances - EVER wants the Vale to lose.

 

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