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The fans are the ones that pay the wages . There is a lot that they can do. If Carol Shanahan , with all due respect, is on her high horse and stands by Flitcroft next season , there’s a problem. She’s a smart business woman , and fair play to her for achieving what she has , but if she talks down to the fans / community like a schoolteacher, there’s a problem. It seems that there is already a divide there. I don’t expect the club to tell us everything , but right now the fans are being treated badly, and it’s going to get worse next season. When we get relegated , Vale won’t be back in League One for a good few years , in my opinion. Darren Moore and Flitcroft are joined at the hip , and Carol Shanahan thinks Flitcroft can do no wrong. That kind of stubbornness , and not wanting to be proved wrong, can only lead to disaster. I’m a long way from Burslem, and my opinion doesn’t hold as much water as many on here , particularly those who go home and away for years, but I can see this ending very badly for Port Vale. It’s toxic both on and off the pitch at the moment , and if something isn’t done , we’ll find ourselves in the National League before long. That may seem impossible , but no club has a divine right to say where they should be . They have to earn it. The work ethic of this current side wouldn’t earn them a job in a butchers shop , yet alone another club. It’s disgraceful, and a slap in the face to the fans. How they can go home with a wage packet and hold their heads up is beyond me. I wonder what Roy Sproson would think ? A true servant , like many others. Sorry for the long ramble , but I’ve never seen the club like this in my 55 years following the Vale. Sometimes it only takes one bad apple , and that’s Flitcroft. Spunk Trumpet is spot on in his posts . Flitcroft is a narcissist, and I fear he will take the club down with him . Then he’ll go back to the family business, and we’ll be left with the crumbs of a football club. I sincerely hope that I’m proved wrong. VTID

Exactly how I feel, the performances under Crosby were not as bad as these last few games. Moore has had players coming back from Injury as well, but he just seems at a loss with the whole situation. Last week our owner stated after the Lincoln Match that the Players are Phenomenal and We will be fine. How can any Fan explain that, Please Tell Me ! At least under Michael Brown, we showed some Fight but this Current Lot don’t even seem to be bothered.

I try to remain positive but how anybody could clap that embaressment of a performance is beyond me. I'm not someone who is going to get angry and aggressive at our own players but i did boo the performance as it was completely unacceptable on every level. But surely you cant applaud it. That assumes there was plenty of effort there which there just wasnt today. First time under Darren Moore I have said that too. You just leave quietly. I mean what were you actually applauding the few who did. That they turned up for the coach on time and managed to put their kit on correctly? Genuinely would like to know.

Those that stayed and clapped off the team yesterday did it to thank the players for turning up for the coach on time, getting themselves dressed and running on the pitch for the warm up. It cannot be for anything that happened once the match started !! To a man the performance was shocking.

How you applaud that week in week out, is beyond belief. Some of those players are picking up 8 thousand pound a month. So sadly, that is the definition of a “happy clapper”. Nobody claps angrily. And if you clap even though you’re not happy then you’re robotic and accept the utter crap you’re given week in week out. By clapping these robbing useless clowns on the pitch, and the club in general, you will never get the change we so desperately need. These performances are not acceptable.

I went. I tell you what, when I got to the ground I actually felt positive. Not for the game, but for the fact that we have got great fans really. We can give ourselves a raw deal sometimes, slag each other off for being negative same for happy clapping etc. But to take the numbers we did yesterday (and consistently take everywhere really) on the run we're on, with the team we've got, to a fixture where the result was a formality and the club in the state its in was pretty bloody impressive. All the usual songs were out and everyone was behind the team from then pretty much until the second goal went in. The clubs bigger than anything we've got sitting in the office upstairs. It's imperative he goes sooner rather than later or I genuinely fear we could be the best supported club in the national league. But to answer your question Darren mate, I didn't notice anybody clapping. I left pretty sharpish on the full-time whistle and used the facilities before exiting. All I heard were boos, you're not fit to wear the shirt and David flitcroft get out of our club (which I wholeheartedly joined in with). Each to their own, but how even the happiest of clappers could clap that yesterday i cannot comprehend.

Scraped a win at Mansfield? I thought it was the best performance of the season looked a league above them. Unfortunately they will more than likely be a league above us.I agree with the rest of what you said [emoji106] Sent from my SM-A505FN using onevalefan mobile app

You cant just fire players under contract. unless we can have them under trade descriptions act?

Moore not had the luxury of a Arblaster & Devine which Crosby had and he still went nearly 3 months without a win. Moore not had 4 strikers at his disposal which Crosby had and yet he still went nearly 3 months without a win

we deserved everything we got in those games under crosby. after the barnsley debacle we had an unbelievably lucky run of sendings off and penalties . then when that dried up we were watching the real vale. as for the cup run that was another fluke as we played the lowest ranked side in every round and only just scraped a win at mansfield. the boro game was an absolute disaster and then soon as we lost arblaster and devine the team fell apart. crosby was and is no manager and we now have to get behind DM who is PROVEN at this level. if we are struggling its not because of him its down to the pi55 poor recruitment over the last 4 transfer windows and that is solely down to fraudcroft.

I will say this and wait for the usual 'Chip on shoulder' remarks These players are an absolute disgrace and insult to the fans of Port Vale and most not even trying and no heart yet we hear they are on nearly 9k a month One poster commented on one thread how 'Modern football pros wouldn't put up with MA's style of management'...I don't think any manager should put up with footballers with no passion heart or fight. They are privilged to play for the mighty Port Vale and are insulting the fans with their lacklustre displays If it is true what you say (I would love to know how we can work out players wages or what the link of the source of information is) then these players need to GO...what an insult to the fans who pay for ST's and earn a fraction of these players

things could be worse then.

Does Flitcroft give all managers a script to read as well? If you saw a transcript of all of the manger interviews over the last two seasons, with no manager’s name on it, you’d swear they were all said by the same person. Same old nonsense cliches - variations on bad day at the office, dig deep and go again, great squad of players etc etc etc. Not “all fur coat and no knickers” like Micky Adams so eloquently put it (or threats to transfer list them all.

It’s not. You’re correct. It’s a waste of a wage though. Like most. 100% is the MINIMUM any footballer should give. That’s a given. Talent wise he ain’t worth half of that. And that lies with the DOF who has sanctioned these signings and wages.

I thought it was only Carol who loved Flicker but some of these players agents must love him even more...talk about money for old rope, bloody hell....

Well that's what happens when you spend 2 years at Sheffield Wednesday

You can’t believe everything you read on the internet but I also hear other sources close to the club. This isn’t me calling anyone out. The information is out there. Our annual wage budget is around 3.2 million. Which would be about right considering we were mainly around the 2 to 2.5 million mark in league 2. Now breaking that down individually. Again the information is out there. Per week. Uche. 4500. Ojo. 4300. Grant. 3400. Massey. 3200. Loft. 2700. Iacovitti. 2500. Garrity. 2500. Ripley. 2400. Jones. 2400. Chisnall. 2300. Wilson. 2100. Lowe. 2100. Debrah. 2100. Clarke. 1900. Smith. 1900. Leutweilwer. 810. Plant. 510. Then there’s the kids and loanees. So the next time you say “just get behind the lads” it’s time to take a step back and get some perspective when you’re going work and not earning those figures in a month. I wouldn’t pay most of that lot with washers but that’s where the money has gone. That’s what the DOF has bought. That’s where Carols and the clubs money goes. Yet she defends the indefensible. Unbelievable.

Flitcroft after a wage reduction for relegation.

never mind happy clappers !! the players are what counts !! they are letting us/themselves/ this wonderful club down terrible mess we are in come on vale get a grip

Again, what are you going on about?

2k per week, I’d imagine most of them are, bar the young kids.

You’re asking him to polish a <ovf censored>. It’s an impossible job for Moore in reality and I feel for him having to bite his lip and not go in two footed on a few of them in his post-match. None of these are his players.

What do you expect him to do with the poor excuse of a squad he's been left? Your expectations are not on this planet What are you going on about now? And you long winded post, yet again, proves that you do not read anybody else's post and you do not engage with other people's posts because you are coming up with this drivel all the time. The players are bad. We have 2 centre backs that played non -league football last season and would not get into any other League One squads. The only player in our team that is League One standard or above is Ben Garrity and he will be gone at the end of the season. Our fantastic goalkeeper is about to get relegated out of this league for the second successive season. Release every player and lets see what team's they end up at. I would say 95% of them would end up at League 2 teams or below. You talk about Charlie Adam, do you know his record at Fleetwood before he actually got his first win at Fleetwood? Plus Fleetwood have better players than us including decent strikers. Crosby is a shit3 manager, let's get that straight. He's had us in complete free fall since September and should have gone in October. Andy Crosby's record this season. 8 wins from 29 league games and left us in a relegation zone On that record how the hell does Crosby get a tune (Carlisle Away, Fleetwood Away) to keep us up when it is him that's put us in the relegation zone

More points and put a fight with Crosby? Crosby is one of the main reasons why we are in a relegation battle. He should never have have been given the job in the first place and he should 100% of gone in October.

He’s in a no-win situation. The squad is completely and utterly useless. I repeat… THIS SQUAD WOULD GET RELEGATED WITH PEP GUARDIOLA IN CHARGE. We have players who, physically, aren’t up to the challenge of 2 games in a week. We have players who have downed tools because they know they will be gone in the summer (note “the injuries”) We have players who are being asked to play out of position because we literally have no-one for that position. We have players who, quite frankly, are not good enough. The squad is an absolute mess from top to bottom. Jackson Pollock has nothing on Flitcroft. Moore has little option but to play the nicey-nicey cliched interview card. We still have a mathematical chance of avoiding the drop so doesn’t want to completely alienate the players. Whilst the reality is that we were as good as relegated on 2 February, fans need some hope to cling to for next year, at least show some fight. What would you do?? Publicly criticise the team and owners?? Maybe if he wanted an early pay-off and to keep his reputation in tact because this isn’t a basket case of his making? Or maybe, just maybe - and I know this is rare in modern football - DM is a man of integrity and is eyeing a fresh start next year with him re-shaping the team for a promotion push?

Are you on crack?

Has he gone yet?

1 point from 23rd, 21st, and 20th when you’ve been brought in to help avoid relegation is ‘not good’. I expected some degree of impact - nothing major, but just a sign that someone competent was in the dugout. He’ll get time, but this slow start has likely killed our survival hopes and we can’t just pretend these results were inevitable. We should have picked up 4-5 points.

The rest I agree with by the way.

I don’t think you’ll find a club who operate on anything less than around 2.5 million a year in this league. So it’s not so much the money being paid, it is like you say, the quality for your buck. Thats a glaring reason why Flitcroft should be sacked.

These wages are mind boggling There's only Ripley, Garrity Clarke and maybe Plant who I think could justify there wages the rest are absolutely stealing a wage The ultimate P### takes are Uche , Ojo , Grant ,Massey , Loft , Jones , chusnall, lavacotti, Lowe, , wilson & debrah ,may as well chucked the money down the drain I don't know how some of these can sleep at night they're a bunch of leaches Carol ffs , wake up , Fraudcroft is bad news

I misread it I thought someone posted 8k a week then I saw 8k a month 👍🏻

Their all stealing a wage bar garrity, Chislet & ripley

I can't dispute the disaster zone we are currently languishing in, and something's gotta change; equally I know who I'd change, but................a horny little angel wearing purple 💜 I luv lucas Jim jams keeps pouring honey in my ear and whispering "There's a wise old tale, about the same old hell, only the devil will change." Aka, Hoppers, be careful what you wish for Aka could it even get worse if auntie Carol has a purge I can't see an easy ride out of this mess; for me, if he Inna going, best case scenario as others have mentioned, is let flitcroft keep building his Lego dressing rooms and offices, and get someone who actually knows about recruitment to work with DM - I think we will be thankful of our manager if his hands are kept untied 👍👍👍

seem to remember back in the 60s and 70s occasionally if dross was being served the crowd would start a slow hand clap, It always seemed a more damning critic than booing, rather more posh than that.

He is clueless, does not know which players to pick, he may come good when he knows what formation and which players to pick but that won’t be this season. Wouldn’t be surprised if he drops Chislett and Garrity next match, he just drops players, then plays someone else in the same job with the hope they perform better in the role.

I totally agree with both of you. Under Crosby it looked like the players really tried. Under dm the team has looked better at times but yesterday was shocking. it looked like Sunday league football. Let's hope dm gets the players working in training this week.

We're the joint 8th worse side across the world's professional leagues since that Northampton game. Very proud.

TBF we did beat Exeter and Wigan before Blackpool but its easy to forget them because it seems like we haven't won forever!

We have not lost every game under Moore. Who did we beat on the road to the Quarter Finals of the League Cup? Its Crosby that went nearly 3 months without a league win. Its Crosby that's put us in the bottom 4 Its Crosby that we lost to team's like Cheltenham at home, Carlisle & Fleetwood. You still have yet to answer my question to you on how long it took Charlie Adam to get a tune out of Fleetwood who you have compared us to

Rory Delap is on the wrong site again. !

Two fks given 'big' Brian. People don't dance to your merry tune, you resort to ridicule, just like to 10 year old lads crying at games when Vale lose. You literally can't handle it. Bless ya [emoji1787]

I think we are down. Players not good enough. No balance to the side and no identity. Some players have thrown the towel in. I'm hoping we see quite a bit of 'Contract Terminated by Mutual Consent' going on in the summer so we can try and recruit players that are decent and actually fit into what we will be trying to do 'football wise'.

That's exactly the problem--there's too many of them and not enough beneath!

Want some decent players Need to win a lot of games before the end of the season Expect to get relegated 😑

I've just watched Moore's interview...ye Gods. He just repeats a load of twaddle over and over. Like music to Fraudcrofts ears

A wind up can be a laugh but I am actually seething with Darren Moore being the manager of Port Vale. I wasn't happy with it from the outset but I said I would give it a chance. I just can't do that anymore. After letting it all sink in I cannot do it. I am sorry those who do not agree, but my feelings are that we need to correct this nonsense and correct it NOW. I have supported the DoF, but this mistake is a big one. OUT OUT OUT!

Carol can't believe he came to little Port Vale. Little Port Vale with XL contracts.

Crosby I thought often came across really well in interviews, even in adversity, albeit he often used the same cliches. But Moore stand there and do nothing but drool as long as I saw what he was at least trying to do on the pitch. Our fortunes haven't changed and they won't because the squad is THAT bad. But no interview after a game is going to sound too clever when you're losing every week.

Wow!! We are poor but DM has got some pedigree. Mate there is not a man on this earth who can make a silk purse out of a sows ear.