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55 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

 

I think the issue as mentioned earlier was we peaked so well last season and deserved the play offs that it feels we have gone backwards from that level.

I  would agree with that.

I guess league two football is pretty basic.
Vale didn't even have the basics 18 months ago.
They're now trying to go beyond the basics, possibly having missed out on a consolidation phase, largely because we progressed much faster than expected.
Maybe we're simply hitting reality, and going backwards before we go forwards again.
Progress is rarely linear.

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Losing to a poor non league outfit has now opened the debate on JA and the last few games has clearly demonstrated that we need a big mobile striker a young Pope.... If I was the board I be looking at bringing in some support for JA in some form of attacking coaching staff by looking at training on how to breaking down teams who park the bus... We aren't far off it is very frustrating but we do need a quality striker

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2 hours ago, TylerB said:

If he felt attacked because I'm calling him boring then that would make him a bit of a snowflake. He might well be completely different in person for all I know. But his interviews whether we win or lose after games leave a lot to be desired. I can only imagine if he's the same in the dressing room then it's no wonder sometimes the players look like they are going through the motions. He reminds me of Normal Clegg.

Not sure of your age TB but you either :

never watched during the Rudge years

accepted him because we were successful, in the end

were totally wrong then as you probably are here with Askey.

There are and will always be managers with totally different characters. There is no point attacking him because you dislike his character. I am certain Askey is  here to stay for at least another 12 months, without something disastrous happening, so you need to accept him or leave the Vale alone until we are successful if it really gets to you the way you are coming over on here. Just one question to you. How do you know the players are going through the motions and if they are its all down to Askey

 

Just to add i will criticise him where i feel it needs, in my opinion that is, but as a person its not our job to criticise. 

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3 hours ago, TylerB said:

Clearly he does his best as anybody would. As I've said all along, I'm hoping he proves me wrong and in 5 games time we've won a few of them and he makes me look like an absolute melt. But I don't see anything changing. In my opinion we should be much better than a win one lose one (our overall record in the league right now) side, and our form and performances at home this season have been inept at times at best, diabolical at worst. You can't just take them away like they never exist, but imagine where we would be without those two wins at the start of the season, one of which was very fortunate. 5 league losses in the last 10 games is not acceptable considering the squad we have.

Give it a rest man. You are boring us all.

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Agree with the point above about attacking the manager because he seems a boring character, that’s pointless. He can clearly get a tune out of the players because he did it last season. His “problem” is that we exceeded expectations last year and naturally people expect us to go one better again. Personally I think we will exceed last season and we will get in to play offs at least. Granted we haven’t started the season in free flowing form, and it was interesting to see the official site post something on social media saying we are 2 points better off now than last season, clearly an attempt to head things off in terms of fan negativity. But we know the team can play better, I’m sure they know it too, but they’re in there still and we haven’t fallen away and it’s early doors. I’m convinced no fans is having a negative impact on us at home, I know it shouldn’t, but I really believe when we get behind the team it gives them a lift to drive us on. They need to find a way to deal with that.l and lift themselves if it is an issue. 

Also when you look at last season we had a core that played really well and were extremely consistent in brown, Gibbo, Legge, smith, joyce, burgess, Conlon, Taylor, Amoo & Worrall. This season out of those  - Gibbos injured, Amoo has missed games through injury and not hit form enough and he could be out again. Taylor’s gone. Whilst Legge, burgess and Conlon have dropped off massively. Worrall took 5 games to get going. We’ve had new signings having to isolate and our midfield messiah out injured again.  I don’t think also that’s down to the manager, it’s just league two players,  but they need to find form in quite a strange season of unprecedented issues facing everyone in football. Because there’s an opportunity here to take advantage of this situation if we can get players firing and fit. 

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48 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

Agree with the point above about attacking the manager because he seems a boring character, that’s pointless. He can clearly get a tune out of the players because he did it last season. His “problem” is that we exceeded expectations last year and naturally people expect us to go one better again. Personally I think we will exceed last season and we will get in to play offs at least. Granted we haven’t started the season in free flowing form, and it was interesting to see the official site post something on social media saying we are 2 points better off now than last season, clearly an attempt to head things off in terms of fan negativity. But we know the team can play better, I’m sure they know it too, but they’re in there still and we haven’t fallen away and it’s early doors. I’m convinced no fans is having a negative impact on us at home, I know it shouldn’t, but I really believe when we get behind the team it gives them a lift to drive us on. They need to find a way to deal with that.l and lift themselves if it is an issue. 

Also when you look at last season we had a core that played really well and were extremely consistent in brown, Gibbo, Legge, smith, joyce, burgess, Conlon, Taylor, Amoo & Worrall. This season out of those  - Gibbos injured, Amoo has missed games through injury and not hit form enough and he could be out again. Taylor’s gone. Whilst Legge, burgess and Conlon have dropped off massively. Worrall took 5 games to get going. We’ve had new signings having to isolate and our midfield messiah out injured again.  I don’t think also that’s down to the manager, it’s just league two players,  but they need to find form in quite a strange season of unprecedented issues facing everyone in football. Because there’s an opportunity here to take advantage of this situation if we can get players firing and fit. 

I think the absence of fans has also hit us hard away from home too. Being exiled, I've gone away matches where I could and the rowdy, noisy, vociferous Vale fans make a real difference to our performance. Home fans hate it too as we very often make more noise than they do. Either way - home or away - I think it's definitely had an effect on performances, not to mention referees!

 

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Agree completely the lack of fans is really hurting us at home. I can't believe for one minute we would have had as many referring decisions go against us and don't think our players would be as fragile as they appear to be without fans cheering them on when we concede a goal.

On the JA debate -I posted previously on a match day thread the clock is ticking. I think we have a small window of opportunity with this group of players to get promotion, which is this season. They are a good bunch ,some struggling with form, nevertheless we should be up there challenging and we are not due to lack of different tactics. This is on JA and he needs to find a solution quickly.

If we don't make promotion this year we will effectively be doing another rebuild job as the likes of Brown,Legge,Smith, Gibbo, Joyce, Pope, Amoo and possibly Wozza will be moved.  This would likely result in another 2-3 seasons years in L2 which doesn't bear thinking of. This is why we need some urgency from JA to sort it out quickly or show signs of improvement, if he can't the board need will need to act before its too late and we miss our golden opportunity.

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Why are the majority posting as though we're 18th rather than bloody 8th?!

Agree completely the lack of fans is really hurting us at home. I can't believe for one minute we would have had as many referring decisions go against us and don't think our players would be as fragile as they appear to be without fans cheering them on when we concede a goal.
On the JA debate -I posted previously on a match day thread the clock is ticking. I think we have a small window of opportunity with this group of players to get promotion, which is this season. They are a good bunch ,some struggling with form, nevertheless we should be up there challenging and we are not due to lack of different tactics. This is on JA and he needs to find a solution quickly.
If we don't make promotion this year we will effectively be doing another rebuild job as the likes of Brown,Legge,Smith, Gibbo, Joyce, Pope, Amoo and possibly Wozza will be moved.  This would likely result in another 2-3 seasons years in L2 which doesn't bear thinking of. This is why we need some urgency from JA to sort it out quickly or show signs of improvement, if he can't the board need will need to act before its too late and we miss our golden opportunity.

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19 minutes ago, MBE said:

If we don't make promotion this year we will effectively be doing another rebuild job as the likes of Brown,Legge,Smith, Gibbo, Joyce, Pope, Amoo and possibly Wozza will be moved.  This would likely result in another 2-3 seasons years in L2 which doesn't bear thinking of. This is why we need some urgency from JA to sort it out quickly or show signs of improvement, if he can't the board need will need to act before its too late and we miss our golden opportunity.

You can really see them releasing Smith and Gibbo if we didn’t go up? Or do you mean they’ll be sold? Brown, Worrall and Amoo have some life left in them yet I think if they stayed. 

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12 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

You can really see them releasing Smith and Gibbo if we didn’t go up? Or do you mean they’ll be sold? Brown, Worrall and Amoo have some life left in them yet I think if they stayed. 

I think MBE has a point because if we don't go up (and I'm not yet in that camp), other clubs will definitely come after our better players. I'm not sure our owners would want them to go but if they were clubs from a higher division and the players wanted to go, it would be hard to stop them leaving, even under contract. Anyroad, we're getting beyond ourselves really because we're nowhere near that point yet!

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What really makes me laugh is the certainty which some individuals seem to have that replacing the manager would instantly improve things.  The reality is that even when things are bad, which they aren't, you normally end up in a cycle of having to make 2 or 3 appointments again before one comes off.  Any new appointment is a complete lottery with zero guarantee of success, we've seen it first hand, but for some people their memories of this are fudged.

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51 minutes ago, PV1973 said:

You can really see them releasing Smith and Gibbo if we didn’t go up? Or do you mean they’ll be sold? Brown, Worrall and Amoo have some life left in them yet I think if they stayed. 

I expect them to be sold if we don't go up. I don't know the contract situation but both players need to be playing in L1 at the stage of the career and I'm sure will be looking elsewhere. Wozza and Amoo in particular game is based on pace -Wozza could possibly retrain in CM which I have advocated for while but Amoo not so much. As much as I love Amoo as a player at 30 years old a pace winger will start decline.

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5 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

What really makes me laugh is the certainty which some individuals seem to have that replacing the manager would instantly improve things.  The reality is that even when things are bad, which they aren't, you normally end up in a cycle of having to make 2 or 3 appointments again before one comes off.  Any new appointment is a complete lottery with zero guarantee of success, we've seen it first hand, but for some people their memories of this are fudged.

What makes me laugh is the certainty that John Askey will turn this round.

we’ve been brilliant so far haven’t we. Great result and performances in the last 3 home games, Harrogate, Carlisle, morcambe ect.  Things are brilliant. We’re dropping down the league. We can’t score we don’t create anything. We will get beat on Saturday but everyone seems fine with that. Why is everyone just accepting this mediocrity every season. 

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8 hours ago, valiant_593 said:

Progress was excellent 2nd half of last season for me partly down to jake Taylor who was a huge player for us. 

 

Jake Taylor didn't play a league game for us after 1st January.  He contributed very little to the second half of last season.

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So disappointing to hear some of the remarks on here, over the last couple of weeks. Contrary to what some of you are saying, we have definitely improved, maybe only marginally, on last season, with a couple more points at the same stage.  League and FA Cup campaigns have been disappointing but we are on course with the (oddly-)reviled FL Trophy, which has brought some much-needed cash into the club

Comparisons with clubs like Wycombe and Crewe ARE appropriate, with regards to size of crowds and income, but not managerial stability...or, even, the instability of our previous owner - very few teams have had to contend with a whackjob who threatened to put his own club into administration! Another comparison to use would be Accrington Stanley, especially under John Coleman, who has also been given time to do the job (and has 40%+ win rates for both his stints as Accy manager!).

It's absolutely typical that the criticisms come out after bad results - they are not so stupid as to criticise a team doing well! - are we doing well?...we've been in the top 7 most of this season, so far, with more good results against teams around us than poor results, and are in 8th place, but out of the playoff spots on GD only...so, I would argue that we are doing well! Obviously, a couple of bad results - and the manner of them - have been disappointing, but it's also fair to say we haven't had the first-choice line-up since the season started, through injury and isolation. And a couple of players are only now approaching match fitness. And some of the others appear to be having confidence issues, not reaching the form they did last season...these factors have to be considered and some players given time to regain confidence - which can be such a fragile thing - instead of constantly being nagged at, even when they're doing an ok job.

 

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1 hour ago, philmpv said:

Why are the majority posting as though we're 18th rather than bloody 8th?!

I am posting to you Phil this time😀

I posted based on the fact, after playing half of the league, we are a competitive mid table team who respond weakly to conceding goals, lack a plan b,c and d when a is not working against teams who sit in and defend. If we continue doing the same thing we will end up mid table.

I'm not suggesting we remove the manager at this stage, just pointing out we have an ageing team with some bright young players and think its now or never for this group of players. JA needs to work out b,c & d. before its too late and the owners have a decision to make.

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5 hours ago, Sandyford_Lion said:

Not sure of your age TB but you either :

never watched during the Rudge years

accepted him because we were successful, in the end

were totally wrong then as you probably are here with Askey.

There are and will always be managers with totally different characters. There is no point attacking him because you dislike his character. I am certain Askey is  here to stay for at least another 12 months, without something disastrous happening, so you need to accept him or leave the Vale alone until we are successful if it really gets to you the way you are coming over on here. Just one question to you. How do you know the players are going through the motions and if they are its all down to Askey

 

Just to add i will criticise him where i feel it needs, in my opinion that is, but as a person its not our job to criticise. 

Fair enough. So forgetting the fact that, in my opinion, he has all of the personality of your average Jellyfish (or at least that's how he comes across on camera) I'll just concentrate on that the football his team plays is largely rubbish. Backwards. Sideways .Sideways. Backwards. Add to that the fact that he doesn't seem capable of changing things up much at all and having a plan B when things aren't working, often leaves his subs far, far too late for them to have a proper impact on the game and also that we've now lost half of our last 10 games in the league, and I feel there's a fair amount to be concerned amount from the team and Mr. Askey.

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