An evening with DM & Matt Hancock - Thurs 2nd May

[Matlock Vale]

We can compare, Clarke, Crosby and Moore all we like, but they can only work with the tools they have. Our tools are useless.

[dantheman]

Not really comparable at all. Crosbys win ratio heavily weighted by low number of games and a good proportion with a promotion squad. Then he has a cup run which if we are honest was both pointless and detrimental. Crosbys win ratio is pathetic. Can make stats look however you want but to rosey Crosbys win ratio when the reality is that he won 8 league games this season! Pissing 8!!! Anyone trying to gloss that is mentally challenged. I really wanted him to succeed the same as every vale manager but as with a few of his predecessors he succeeded in failure. 

Moore hasn’t filled me full of confidence but has to be given the chance to revamp the squad how he can. Then judge him.

[Vtid]

9 hours ago, dantheman said:

Not really comparable at all. Crosbys win ratio heavily weighted by low number of games and a good proportion with a promotion squad. Then he has a cup run which if we are honest was both pointless and detrimental. Crosbys win ratio is pathetic. Can make stats look however you want but to rosey Crosbys win ratio when the reality is that he won 8 league games this season! Pissing 8!!! Anyone trying to gloss that is mentally challenged. I really wanted him to succeed the same as every vale manager but as with a few of his predecessors he succeeded in failure. 

Moore hasn’t filled me full of confidence but has to be given the chance to revamp the squad how he can. Then judge him.

Great post 👊🏻 End the thread… 

Edited May 9 by Vtid

[philpvfc]

9 hours ago, dantheman said:

Not really comparable at all. Crosbys win ratio heavily weighted by low number of games and a good proportion with a promotion squad. Then he has a cup run which if we are honest was both pointless and detrimental. Crosbys win ratio is pathetic. Can make stats look however you want but to rosey Crosbys win ratio when the reality is that he won 8 league games this season! Pissing 8!!! Anyone trying to gloss that is mentally challenged. I really wanted him to succeed the same as every vale manager but as with a few of his predecessors he succeeded in failure. 

Moore hasn’t filled me full of confidence but has to be given the chance to revamp the squad how he can. Then judge him.

Agree, there needs to be many factors taken in to consideration. Can’t just go to Wikipedia and judge Moore better than Clarke and Adams just by win ratio.

Moore managed

West Brom…..majority of the time a club looking for promotion 

Doncaster……a club looking for promotion

Wednesday….a club looking for promotion

Huddersfield….a club looking for mid table 

Both Adams and Clarke managed clubs for a reasonable period who had just been promoted and looking to survive plus Adams managed Fulham in the premiership who at the times were playing to stay in the division.

[Vtid]

40 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Agree, there needs to be many factors taken in to consideration. Can’t just go to Wikipedia and judge Moore better than Clarke and Adams just by win ratio.

Moore managed

West Brom…..majority of the time a club looking for promotion 

Doncaster……a club looking for promotion

Wednesday….a club looking for promotion

Huddersfield….a club looking for mid table 

Both Adams and Clarke managed clubs for a reasonable period who had just been promoted and looking to survive plus Adams managed Fulham in the premiership who at the times were playing to stay in the division.

There’s a reason those clubs with good ambitions & aiming for promotion appointed Moore. What on earth makes you think Huddersfield were going for a mid table finish? The season before when Warnock was in charge they stayed up by the skin of their teeth on game 45 they secured their league status 

Edited May 9 by Vtid

[Fosse69]

Agree, there needs to be many factors taken in to consideration. Can’t just go to Wikipedia and judge Moore better than Clarke and Adams just by win ratio.
Moore managed
West Brom…..majority of the time a club looking for promotion 
Doncaster……a club looking for promotion
Wednesday….a club looking for promotion
Huddersfield….a club looking for mid table 
Both Adams and Clarke managed clubs for a reasonable period who had just been promoted and looking to survive plus Adams managed Fulham in the premiership who at the times were playing to stay in the division.

Adams managed Fulham in the 4th tier, probably Div 3. Won promotion and replaced by Kevin Keeghan.

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[Andy Proctor]

For Moore to still have over 40% win ratio when he's only won 5 games this season, between Huddersfield and at vale, shows what a good job he has done in his previous jobs. I'm not able to work it out but he must have had over 50% win ratio prior to these past 2 jobs.

[Vtid]

7 minutes ago, Andy Proctor said:

For Moore to still have over 40% win ratio when he's only won 5 games this season, between Huddersfield and at vale, shows what a good job he has done in his previous jobs. I'm not able to work it out but he must have had over 50% win ratio prior to these past 2 jobs.

Around about the 50% mark mate 

[Matlock Vale]

When you look at Moore's record, he is a decent manager. That's all you can go on. What he'll do at Vale? Who knows. I'm looking forward to what he does this season coming.

[philpvfc]

11 hours ago, Vtid said:

There’s a reason those clubs with good ambitions & aiming for promotion appointed Moore. What on earth makes you think Huddersfield were going for a mid table finish? The season before when Warnock was in charge they stayed up by the skin of their teeth on game 45 they secured their league status 

That was their ambition, 2 seasons before they were play off finalists. 

[Hoppers]

22 hours ago, Vtid said:

is that he won 8 league games this season! Pissing 8!!! A

Well done there Dantheman - I always like to applaud when someone manages to evade the obscenity blocker  👏👏👏👏👏👏

[Vtid]

13 hours ago, philpvfc said:

That was their ambition, 2 seasons before they were play off finalists. 

How do you know 😭 are you on the board at Huddersfield? Surely when you go into a new season you can only reflect & try to improve on the previous season not 2 seasons before. Chatting diarrhoea again to suit your narrative 👍🏻 

[kevin_struggles]

On 06/05/2024 at 17:37, Killersrevenge44 said:

What are the 'facts'? 

Flitcroft, five year deals for a  failed manager, desperate meetings with an inexperienced executive and a manager claiming that 17 players under contract may not be here, throwing away two goal leads that ultimately relegated the club wasting all the good years between 2010 to now. 

Three players pathetically let go when at least 12 players should be shown the door, our best grounds man being pushed out, Colin Garlick pushed out, shocking account figures, no transparency on the SS acquisition, an owner in hiding, questions remain unanswered.. 

And poor old Bill Bratt gets more stick than any of the above!!! 

 

I am struggling to recognise any facts amongst that list of your opinions. I'm not going to judge DM until he has put together his squad and had a pre season. Until then I'm going to enjoy the Euros then I will look towards next season and hope its better than the last two.

[philpvfc]

8 hours ago, Vtid said:

How do you know 😭 are you on the board at Huddersfield? Surely when you go into a new season you can only reflect & try to improve on the previous season not 2 seasons before. Chatting diarrhoea again to suit your narrative 👍🏻 

 Certainly didn’t improve on the season before, did they?