Summer transfer targets/rumours, retained list etc

[PortVale4Life]

Why not make a thread for this <ovf censored> instead of ruining this thread 

[Sam Kelly's Left Boot]

Mikael Mandron I'm hearing.

[arthurdog]

23 minutes ago, Santa said:

Yeah. Sometimes I watch Gol TV and I enjoy the documentaries and things on Movistar Vamos. There was a really good one on the other week about Real Madrid losing the league on the final day at Tenerife during the 90s.

It happened twice in consecutive seasons and Depor missed a 94th min pen to win the league, all 3 titles went to the tax dodgers.

[Budgie_2260]

Mikael Mandron I'm hearing.

I have no inside info, but I've thought for awhile that we would be looking at either Mandron or Vadaine Oliver (who left Gills to move back north)

IF we did sign one of them, I'd be happy with either.

Any thoughts???

[Santa]

Crewe striker. Great. 

[philmpv]

Crewe striker. Great. 

Tony Naylor? I'm not for one second suggesting that he's anywhere near the great TNs ability (never seen him play from memory), but do think it would be daft to write off or take a negative view on a potential signing just because of where he's coming from

[LancyTony]

12 hours ago, bobbymanc said:

Don't patronise me. I'm a season ticket holder, been watching Vale for 33 years and class myself as a student of the game. I often study individual players during matches, especially when things aren't quite going to plan. Pett is slow, susceptible to a high press, and too often was a passenger when things weren't going to plan. Things "won't go to plan" more often in league 1. Will he step up? Pett was most effective in those last 2 matches because Gibbo was playing in the back 3. He had more freedom through Gibbos ball carrying. Unfortunately we wouldn't pay him a man's wages so the chemistry to get the most out of Pett has been demolished. I'm looking forward to seeing which ball carrying, hard tackling, maximum commitment centreback we get in to replace him for less than 2k a week...

Wow - you're entitled to your opinion...as am I...so I won't "patronise" you any more -  I think you're talking <ovf censored>! Also - how much did we offer Gibbo? What do you class as a man's wage? And was that last sentence a description of Gibbo? - because, if so wrote "maximum commitment" instead of  "only made 111 appearances in 5 seasons"! And I really liked the lad, and wished he'd stayed...but that pedestal you've put him on is way too tall! 

[vale victory]

Mandron has a bit of a reputation for being an unsettling influence in the dressing room

Vadaine Oliver would be an excellent signing but I don’t think we are close enough to Sheffield for him but you never know

[blackdog]

Vadaine Oliver, according to the stats tables, wins a fair percentage of his headers, so it could possibly fit what DC is looking for.

It's about the pieces of the jigsaw making the bigger picture.

[Santa]

15 minutes ago, philmpv said:

Tony Naylor? I'm not for one second suggesting that he's anywhere near the great TNs ability (never seen him play from memory), but do think it would be daft to write off or take a negative view on a potential signing just because of where he's coming from
 

He played for a team who were relegated by christmas

[blackdog]

2 minutes ago, Santa said:

He played for a team who were relegated by christmas

I guess that would clog up the transfer market quite dramatically if you couldn't sign someone from a club that was relegated.

Incidentally, Gillingham's defence were rubbish last season.    

[LancyTony]

11 hours ago, Alsager Whites said:

I'm finding it a bit tedious that anyone who offers a different view from consensus is shut down on the basis that 'Flitcroft knows better, Trust the Process'. No attempt to argue with their original point is made - they're dismissed on the basis of being a layman. Appeal to authority, I believe it is called.

Under this rationale, no one can ever discuss anything! Politics, music, art, film, television. All of those things were made by professionals with more training, ergo you can't discuss it as a layman. There's a predictable cycle at present - event happens, fans offer comment from their own perspective, same 5 people respond with 'you're just a fan, Flitcroft runs the club so trust the process!'. And repeat... dull as dishwater to read!

Flitcroft has got things wrong since he came in. He's got far more right, but there is a few signings which were clearly not correct. Can we discuss the actual merits of the decisions instead of retreating behind sentiments such as "I never cease to be amazed at just how many on here have an 'insight' into everything that goes on at PV--I must be msising out somewhere!!!" and "In that case, Carol, DC and DF should all bow down and admit they’ve got this all wrong.", quoted from the last page alone!

The cumulative hours of football watched on this forum is in the many thousands of hours. Fans offer a perspective on things without the personal biases that can come from working at a club full-time. It's silly and very boring to dismiss their views because they're not David Flitcroft. Mindless moaning for its own sake is of course rubbish, but some people make cogent points at times and are dismissed out of hand as there's this invisible process we should be following, with no one explaining exactly what said process entails!

A few posters, understandably, approach decisions made by the club as inherently positive. Any decision the club makes is the right one. Trust the Process. I can get it, as we had a very good season last year, but I've been a Valiant long enough to retain and trust my own evaluation on things. Trust the Process is becoming a tedious trope, funny at first to lampoon Pope, but now becoming a shield to avoid actual discussion of Port Vale 'summer transfer targets/rumours'. 

Just my two-penneth. I enjoy nothing more with a good football discussion with differing views with my brother in the Lorne Street, but since I decided to start posting Onevalefan appears to have become trusttheprocess.com.

We've never really had a process before, never mind one that actually works! Maybe, that's why so many of us are starting to trust it? And yes - the process has got a lot more right than wrong! 

[Shropshire_Valiant]

Oliver seems to have hit some form the last season or 2, before that his record is pretty average although a few goals here and there. Decent target man certainly and experienced. 

Mandron has a steady record as well. 

Wouldnt be overly aversed to seeing either in a Vale shirt

[Fosse69]

26 minutes ago, philmpv said:

Tony Naylor? I'm not for one second suggesting that he's anywhere near the great TNs ability (never seen him play from memory), but do think it would be daft to write off or take a negative view on a potential signing just because of where he's coming from
 

Bertie Llewellyn would be good enough as Crewe strikers go.

[philmpv]

He played for a team who were relegated by christmas

So? If we only had Wilson surrounded by a load of kids we would have been too.