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4 minutes ago, valefan79 said:

Remember us playing beating Sheffield United away and playing Sheffield Wednesday off the park in his first month in charge.

not in the first 2 months you don't.  He joined in June 2009, had a full preseason and signed his own players including a new club captain and Doug Loft.  We won 2 in 11

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Yes, Barrow and Grimsby have both won...but Mansfield and Colchester have both lost. Mansfield now been dragged into the mix. It's a useful point for us, tonight - not a good one, but useful. I'm not

I think some people need to give players a bit of time. Guthrie's had six games after being out in the cold for some time at Bradford. For me, he's still finding match sharpness but that will only com

First job was to stop leaking goals, we've done that tonight. That's a positive.

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2 minutes ago, Sandyford_Lion said:

Thats Gibbons problem surely. Yes he did get forward so too did Monty but without and quality at the end of it.

Even at full back Monty got forward more than he did tonight. He had a poor game end of.

There’s another team we’re playing against who had more of the ball than we did. If you’re just judging players in what they do going forwards then you’re not watching the whole picture or not realising what jobs they look like they’re being asked to do. The midfielders and forwards were the biggest issue from tonight and they hardly brought anyone in to the game. That’s where we lost the battle. 

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It was better than the first fixture...not by much. We pressed, ran after Stevenage a bit, but worryingly they were the better footballing side by quite a margin.

Our defence appears more organised and having Legge back seemed the right call with him not as exposed as earlier in the season. 

As many have said, what are our midfield doing? I actually liked how Cullen played when he came on, getting into some good positions and trying to get the ball played through to him, but our toothless midfield failed him. 

I think there have been some positive tweaks, but this squad is miles off being competitive in this league. Grimsby and Barrow winning with two games in hand on us makes for sobering reading.

We won’t go down, but this season promised us so much more. 

 

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4 minutes ago, 1 said:

It’s a lot of pressure on Monty and Gibbo to come back after both having injury issues and now being asked to essentially be the wingers and the flank defenders. No midfielders go out wide so it’s either a player who’s sat out for months doing sprints up and down the whole pitch or pull the strikers wide apart. Conlon was doing ok and now he looks like he doesn’t know his role, that can’t be coincidence. Early days though, and have we kept 2 back to back clean sheets this season before tonight? 

The back 5 were fine defensively IMO.  Credit to Gibbo and Monty for putting a real shift in and doing a lot of running off the ball without having much to show for it in terms of them being brought into the game. 

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3 minutes ago, mattyboy said:

not in the first 2 months you don't.  He joined in June 2009, had a full preseason and signed his own players including a new club captain and Doug Loft.  We won 2 in 11

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What about showing the fuxtures on the 11th August and 25th August 2009 when we beat the Sheffield clubs, they were in the cup when we played them off the park.

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7 minutes ago, 1 said:

It’s a lot of pressure on Monty and Gibbo to come back after both having injury issues and now being asked to essentially be the wingers and the flank defenders. No midfielders go out wide so it’s either a player who’s sat out for months doing sprints up and down the whole pitch or pull the strikers wide apart. Conlon was doing ok and now he looks like he doesn’t know his role, that can’t be coincidence. Early days though, and have we kept 2 back to back clean sheets this season before tonight? 

Eh ?

We conceded at Orient 

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4 minutes ago, 1 said:

It’s a lot of pressure on Monty and Gibbo to come back after both having injury issues and now being asked to essentially be the wingers and the flank defenders. No midfielders go out wide so it’s either a player who’s sat out for months doing sprints up and down the whole pitch or pull the strikers wide apart. Conlon was doing ok and now he looks like he doesn’t know his role, that can’t be coincidence. Early days though, and have we kept 2 back to back clean sheets this season before tonight? 

The back 5 were fine defensively IMO.  Credit to Gibbo and Monty for putting a real shift in and doing a lot of running off the ball without having much to show for it in terms of them being brought into the game. 

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Just now, PV1973 said:

The back 5 were fine defensively IMO.  Credit to Gibbo and Monty for putting a real shift in and doing a lot of running off the ball without having much to show for it in terms of them being brought into the game. 

I agree on both the defending and the putting a shift in. I’m saying they shouldn’t have to do all that, all the time. We have no width with that midfield 3 because Worrall and Hurst are the only ones willing to run.

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Just now, valefan79 said:

What about showing the fuxtures on the 11th August and 25th August 2019 when we beat the Sheffield clubs, they were in the cup when we played them off the park.

and that would be adequate to compare to now with a new manager without his own players and no pre season.  Anyway here you go then.  You do know you're talking about the wrong season don't you?!

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Just now, 1 said:

I agree on both the defending and the putting a shift in. I’m saying they shouldn’t have to do all that, all the time. We have no width with that midfield 3 because Worrall and Hurst are the only ones willing to run.

If Worrall was fit then I don’t think we would played with a back 5. 

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1 minute ago, darren1810 said:

Eh ?

We conceded at Orient 

Good point. It’s late.

must have been thinking about the clean sheet on Saturday.........

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2 minutes ago, MBE said:

Micky Adams esq post match interview from Clarke. Really upfront from him again not mincing his words.

Hope all our players go home and listen to it and reflect. Message very clearly was play like that and you will be playing elsewhere next season. Bad news for the players is that with quality like that it will be on the fields at Trubshaw Cross.

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2 minutes ago, mattyboy said:

and that would be adequate to compare to now with a new manager without his own players and no pre season.  Anyway here you go then.  You do know you're talking about the wrong season don't you?!

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A lot of those teams playing non-league football now.

Crewe for example. *zing*

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Agree we did look ok defensively, but then we were playing a back five against the team with the lowest goals for column outside the bottom two.

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I doubt Pugh and Sinclair did anything different than they had during Askey's last few weeks - otherwise, why wouldn't they have tried out these mythical methods, sooner? At least some of the players signed had been identified while JA was still here, and, even if you don't like to admit it, most of the players signed this season were Askey signings. We're now 2 points closer to safety than we were under JA, so, if making us harder to beat, and, ultimately, reaching safety is to be Clarke's achievement I'd argue it's worth the money, as we were certainly not guaranteed safety under Askey. 
As to the new management structure, we have no idea, yet, whether it's money well invested for the future progress of the club, until a couple of seasons have gone, at least?  I'm sure John Askey is a good and decent bloke, and I've defended him this season, as that...but I'm not sure why you're so determined to insist he would have kept us up, with everything else pointing otherwise?
I think that in the position we are currently in and were in when Askey left Gannon or Glover could keep us up. We are not that bad, we have some of our players back that have been out injured.

I think we got rid of the manger too soon but can understand why we did. I think it was a big mistake to do so without a plan but I am impressed that the owners have put their hands in their pockets and brought a dof in to ensure that that sort of thing doesn't happen in the future.

The football hasn't been good but we had a busier fixture schedule than most in the first half of the season and suffered for it.

There are a few different ways we can play the rest of the season from where we are. I would prefer it if that wasn't ultra defensive but can understand it if it is.

If we kick off next season with a plan to just shut the opposition out I won't be happy.
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