Brexit again...

[philpvfc]

Hypothetically speaking I did say... University is not the be all and end all, I went later in life than people around me as I wanted to get into business straight away. It's only worth going if you do something with it and a proper subject.

 

Seems you've done well within the EU then from a business perspective. Strange you should despise it so much.

 

The EU hasn’t had a negative impact in my career, in fact myself and 150 of my colleagues were made redundant last year on the back end of a pathetic EU directive. Luckily myself and 4 others of the 150 managed to be re located within the company. Previous to this it hasn’t made an ounce of difference when I was running my own businesses or working in the finance sector.

 

It’s my biggest regret that I didn’t go to university but at the time setting up a business was what I wanted to do and it didn’t work out too badly.

[philpvfc]

Only for people with something to offer. Still won't be as straight forward as it is now. Especially not knowing the deal that we will get.

 

Only if you are looking to work, gaining residency is a lot easier than gaining a work permit.

[Jacko51]

On the morning of Saturday 20 February 2016, a couple of days before the referendum date was announced, Boris Johnson sent a message to David Cameron saying that he had struggled for ages deciding which side to support before deciding to go with his heart (not his head notice). About four hours later he sent Cameron another message saying he may change his mind. Then he changed it back again. This is how committed he was to the concept of Brexit.

 

Three days after the vote he wrote an article in the Telegraph, which I've quoted above, saying that Brexit would still alow us access to the single market, would still allow Brits to move to EU and the reverse. That we would still have very close links with Europe in so many ways. It was a a blueprint for a soft Brexit.

 

Brexiteer Nigel Lawson now lives in France - must be convinced how well Britain will be doing after we leave.

 

Rees-Mogg is decamping to Ireland.

 

John Redwood, long time Brexiteer, recently wrote a piece in the Financial Times advising investors to take their cash somewhere other than the UK because of the state of the UK economy.

 

These blokes who are supposedly singing the praises of the Brexit process and demanding a hard deal are hypocrites of the highest order.

 

Whatever the outcome of this whole sorry mess, there are politicians in this country who should be thoroughly ashamed of the manner in which they have put personal egos ahead of what is best for the country - whatever that may be.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

philpvfc, all governments seem to do things that cost people their jobs at some point or another, for example I remember the US government introducing protectionist tariffs on certain industrial components in the 90's and the result was US companies got round it by buying full assemblies including those components. It devastated a lot of Californian manufacturers and that work has been in the Far East ever since.

What was the directive that did for your colleagues?

[philpvfc]

Rather not go in to it on a public forum but I do agree with you reference Government policies often result in people losing their jobs as has been the case for me in a previous employment although I do agree with the policies that came in to force back then. I don’t agree with the EU legislations which came in to force or the way they went about it but hey ho. That by the way is not why I want a Brexit but it does fuel some of my dislike the way the EU operate.

[SourceOfTheTrent]

Rather not go in to it on a public forum but I do agree with you reference Government policies often result in people losing their jobs as has been the case for me in a previous employment although I do agree with the policies that came in to force back then. I don’t agree with the EU legislations which came in to force or the way they went about it but hey ho. That by the way is not why I want a Brexit but it does fuel some of my dislike the way the EU operate.

Fair enough. As I've said in a number of previous posts I think there's a lot wrong with how the EU operates but I think the advantages hugely outweigh the disadvantages. That also applies to the UK though and it's supposedly the role of democratic politics to improve things over time which is what I think will happen in the EU which is a relatively young organisation.

[bookworm]

It's getting quite boring how the local intelligentsia continually try to impress us poor plebs with their intelligence and keep harping on about how clever they are and continually talk down to us lower classes.They profess to have businesses ugh, they must be hell to work for and us underdogs have had to suffer and in some cases still must suffer the smurthwaite syndrome no wonder club and country are in such a state,over 1900 posts the weight of which is too much of a burden so i'll just say out means out,which part of that don't you ************ understand,over and out...

[Thevalefan]

It's getting quite boring how the local intelligentsia continually try to impress us poor plebs with their intelligence and keep harping on about how clever they are and continually talk down to us lower classes.They profess to have businesses ugh, they must be hell to work for and us underdogs have had to suffer and in some cases still must suffer the smurthwaite syndrome no wonder club and country are in such a state,over 1900 posts the weight of which is too much of a burden so i'll just say out means out,which part of that don't you ************ understand,over and out...

 

The most boring one of the lot has to be you. We're all born and bred in Stoke and probably have all rubbed shoulders on the terraces at Vale. No one asked you to be here but if you don't want contribute in a constructive manner continue to live in ignorance. Over and out.

[The_godfather]

I notice that the sainted JRM is so convinced that everything in Britain will be fine after Brexit.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/13/tory-mp-jacob-rees-mogg-defends-setting-hedge-fund-branch-ireland/

 

He's either a bold faced liar, or unbelievably stupid. I'd rather believe the latter, but I suspect it's closer to the former. Continued reference to No Deal is Better than a Bad Deal just demonstrates he's more suited to run a village bake sale than any office of state. I'd rather have Noel Edmonds as PM.

 

Few more quotes from 5 years ago from the Telegraph below. Just for clarity, he is advocating:

- Dirty energy

- Leaving poorer nations to their own squalor - note 'emergency' in his acknowledgment of aid.

- Leaving the poor to fend for themselves

- Aligning with a party with an openly unsavoury racist element

 

What a man of the people...!

 

“Tony Blair adopted the accent of the audience he was speaking to, which worked very well initially, but then voters began to perceive him as phoney,” he says. “The 'man of the people’ act is the height of condescension.”

 

On wind turbines: “A waste of money. I want cheap energy for my constituents and I think we should look again at the Government’s commitment to emissions reductions, and whether this is the right burden to take on in an age of continued austerity, when rapidly growing economies aren’t making the same commitment.”

 

On international aid: “The Government has a duty to provide emergency aid, but I believe it’s the responsibility of individuals to make charitable donations, not for the state to take our taxes and then make donations on our behalf. The cliché 'trade, not aid’, is entirely accurate.”

 

On Labour: “The problem with socialism is that it’s always about the collective. The great virtue of Toryism is focusing on the individual.”

 

On Ukip: “Given the Tories agree with them on 90 per cent of policy issues, it seems sensible to come to some sort of arrangement.”

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/10125164/I-will-never-be-a-phoney-man-of-the-people.html

[Andyregs]

It's getting quite boring how the local intelligentsia continually try to impress us poor plebs with their intelligence and keep harping on about how clever they are and continually talk down to us lower classes.They profess to have businesses ugh, they must be hell to work for and us underdogs have had to suffer and in some cases still must suffer the smurthwaite syndrome no wonder club and country are in such a state,over 1900 posts the weight of which is too much of a burden so i'll just say out means out,which part of that don't you ************ understand,over and out...

 

Says the only person who keeps going on about how much more clever he is than everyone. Someone’s got a bit of a chip on his shoulder me thinks.

[geosname]

If there has to be a deal then it is possible that no deal is better than a bad deal.

I would prefer a politician to tell me what he/she thinks rather than what he/she thinks I want to hear or what the party wants to tell me.

I will not sell my vote for a one line promise.... more jobs.... more money to the NHS etc.

Politicians lie, it's the nature of the beast, it's the natural preamble to trying to gain power.

[geosname]

Only if you are looking to work, gaining residency is a lot easier than gaining a work permit.

In some countries residency is fairly simple in others it isn't.

Money eases the transition.

[Aussie Rules]

If there has to be a deal then it is possible that no deal is better than a bad deal.

I would prefer a politician to tell me what he/she thinks rather than what he/she thinks I want to hear or what the party wants to tell me.I will not sell my vote for a one line promise.... more jobs.... more money to the NHS etc.

Politicians lie, it's the nature of the beast, it's the natural preamble to trying to gain power.

 

When on the hustings one time Geo it was explained this way to me: 'The trick Barry is to be seen to be doing the right by and for the voters - whether you are or not is irrelevant.

 

I didn't win, and have never again stood for public office (much to Ann's delight)

[geosname]

When on the hustings one time Geo it was explained this way to me: 'The trick Barry is to be seen to be doing the right by and for the voters - whether you are or not is irrelevant.

 

I didn't win, and have never again stood for public office (much to Ann's delight)

I think Ann has her head screwed on Barry.

[Aussie Rules]

I think Ann has her head screwed on Barry.

 

And mine too Geo.