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  1. to be able to walk away is our key to these negotiations, parliament stopped May doing this but she was half hearted, now Boris as made it clear and as the backing of parliament to go into the talks and face up to the eu, lets deal we want this, you want that, but we will walk away in Dec. 2020... The eu is supposed to be union for the common good of its members, if one wants to leave do you threaten cajol them, horseface predicts we will rejoin the eu, they better remember that in the coming talks...and according to trade figs in May 2019 we sold £31.1 billion,to the eu, and bought £40.5 billion,
  2. also todays grey vote, the vote we are told carried the referendum, grew up in the war years or just after and so have more cause to I wont use the words "harking back" I prefer remembering ww2, because we saw the results and consequences, and they are not easy to forget, even if we would wish to...
  3. could it be tactics? the eu know that trade both ways is big, and might think why would we not do trade deals with them first, and if that is the thinking expect a preferential deal, but if we keep pushing a us dealwe might get the better deal? mind games every which way...
  4. but think of how he felt and his mates, when they ate their first dinosaur chop and dipped their bread in the dripping... I bet he was made man of the bar-b-que... that's it for now match day, thing to do, people to see and off up the park... come on you whites...
  5. till he made fire his dinner was uncooked in any case...he knew no different. There's always something better, you've just got to go and find it...
  6. nor did the man who "made fire", or the one who thought of the wheel, or any of the other inventions that got us to where we are today...if you settle for what you've got, you stagnate. Put your toe in the water it'll be fine.
  7. then burning "dangerous literature" that is opposed to the state, ironic that Heine wrote in 1821 "where they burn books, they will in the end, burn human beings too"
  8. apart from rik mayall item who I dont like, everyone of the statements above is factually true... so what is/was the problem? one of the briish traits is we don't like being told what we can/cannot do, couple that with having to fight Germany with 2 generations, and them now being europes top country due in no small part to us knocking their country down and the us marshall plan building it back up. Those 2 wars nearly broke this country twice, and we or those of us who were taught this history remember. The Versailles treaty started the second war, it helped bring hitler to power, he re-built the nation, got people back into work, gave them back a purpose, but and theres always a but, it went to his head and he started believing his own teachings and not what was good for his own people but what he thought was good for them. So I would say he interfered with europes thinking for years to come... the eu have their own flag, own money, individual states are now one, their own European defence union, the eu is king god save the king... We think we can do better than being in the eu, we have different ideas now than the eu, if we do fail and I strongly disagree that we will, it wont be for the lack of trying...
  9. aye it was a bit of a cock-up, with differing views on brexit amongst the tories, but labour, dup, snp, lib.dems, saw their chance after the 2017 election, which reduced the tory majority, and started voting against every proposal, that's why boris wanted another election, he got his mandate and he goes into talks from a lot much stronger position, plus by making it law that we leave in dec2020 with or without a deal the eu have not got a final say to any talks...
  10. a dictatorship, if the opposition can't win enough seats to be a viable opposition, then in the uk we fall back on our constitution, a house of lords and a monarchy, and have a election after 5yrs... but as we've seen a govt. that hasn't got a working majority is a hung parliament...
  11. but why as it lurched from one crisis to another? could a parliament persuing its own ends, mp's pursuing their own agenda, the 2nd step revoking article 50 was passed by 498 to 114, a majority of 384... so why are we only leaving in 15days time? and if it was such a bad idea why did a majority of 384 vote for it? the eu have been clear from day 1, they (the uk ) will realise they (the uk ) cannot do this to the eu, we will make it so difficult they (the uk ) will beg to stay in, also any of the rest 27 will see if we make it difficul for them (the uk ) it will put them (any of the 27 ) off. And all that loverly money will come rolling in.
  12. I know moaning is a british trait, but honestly whats the use (I feel a song coming on ) it doesn't bloody do any good...
  13. no, its pathetic to be still opposing the 2016 referendum result, now in 2020...
  14. happy birthday then, so a double celebration, unless theres any more birthdays, anniversaries etc... what a great honour with them being on our liberation day, and it does warrant a public holiday. but I suppose that's asking too much.
  15. how come that's the only thing you all say "you didn't know what you were voting for", after 3 votes ALL the same result, we know... that beggers the question for you remoaners "do I understand what democracy means" Accept it come on in the waters fine, and that's the coffee you can smell...its not such a big deal to admit you were beat... and the world wont stop turning, the sun still comes up in the east, cause its now blue over Stoke on Trent...
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