Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

Brexit means leaving Europe ... nothing more and nothing less... that's what was asked in the referendum that's what people voted for.

All the complications subsiquently are the consequences of the decision.

True, but opinions differ on why they voted, from the stupid "No longer in the European Song Contest", etc, all water under the bridge. What I should have said was it will depend upon the conclusion of Brexit, whether that be in 2019 or upto 10/20 years away

[Aussie Rules]

That will depend upon the definition of Brexit.

 

Ah! A new game..."Define Brexit'...your time starts now

[Aussie Rules]

I disagree... she is the same but from a different direction.

The opposition, no matter who, needs to be strong enough and believable enough to hold the government to account.

Politics has descended past infant school simplicity.... to the stage where everything is opposed simply because it is proposed by the other side.

 

Absolutely Geo, plus pollical self interest has become the end game.

[jimbo57]

Excellent post, Godfather. Sums the bloke up and how anyone with less than a few million in the bank and an income in excess of £150k p.a. would agree with his policy thinking beggars belief.

The delightful Dominic Raab is similar. With a government containing people like this it's guaranteed Brexit will be the biggest disaster possible, even though it'll be a disaster by default. It's like throwing petrol on a fire.

Dianne Abbott may not be the sharpest tool in the box and has a dreadful public communication manner but at least she's a decent person who doesn't wish poverty and suffering on those less fortunate than herself. I'd rather have her handling Brexit than Mogg or Raab, deeply selfish exploiters of the highest order, they're morally wrong.

 

Oh yes, a decent persin indeed. An IRA supporter, sent her son to private school and herself attended grammar school whilst criticising everybody else who does so, charged Birmingham University SU £1,750 for a 45 minute speech, failed to delare £20,000 paid to her by the BBC, said that Britain invented racism, wanted to abolish MI5, etc etc.

If she's a decent person, Mogg sits in the Bycars..

[Aussie Rules]

Oh yes, a decent persin indeed. An IRA supporter, sent her son to private school and herself attended grammar school whilst criticising everybody else who does so, charged Birmingham University SU £1,750 for a 45 minute speech, failed to delare £20,000 paid to her by the BBC, said that Britain invented racism, wanted to abolish MI5, etc etc.

If she's a decent person, Mogg sits in the Bycars..

 

Only if Mogg has a 10 game ticket

[Jacko51]

I voted remain,Ive changed my mind,which I believe is allowed.

 

Apparently not, Howjy mate. Democracy was set in stone on 23 June 2016 and no change is allowed.

[Santa]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/07/11/theresa-may-guilty-treason-plenty-readers-think-politicians/

 

Goes to show how bat**** political discourse in this country has become.

 

May has tried to pursue a softer Brexit than some people would have liked, so naturally she's become a traitor all of a sudden.

 

I suppose that if she weighs the same as a duck then it also means she's a witch.

[Aussie Rules]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/07/11/theresa-may-guilty-treason-plenty-readers-think-politicians/

 

Goes to show how bat**** political discourse in this country has become.

 

May has tried to pursue a softer Brexit than some people would have liked, so naturally she's become a traitor all of a sudden.

 

I suppose that if she weighs the same as a duck then it also means she's a witch.

 

The quest for the Holy Grail needs a bridge to cross

[SourceOfTheTrent]

Oh yes, a decent persin indeed. An IRA supporter, sent her son to private school and herself attended grammar school whilst criticising everybody else who does so, charged Birmingham University SU £1,750 for a 45 minute speech, failed to delare £20,000 paid to her by the BBC, said that Britain invented racism, wanted to abolish MI5, etc etc.

If she's a decent person, Mogg sits in the Bycars..

You talk some proper rubbish, you really do.

I'm not particularly a fan of Ms Abbott but she isn't critical of people who privately educate their kids she's critical of the system and wants to change it, there's a big difference. Accusations of hypocrisy of that kind are typical right wing tactics to appeal to the small minded in order to discredit their opponents. I too had a grammar education and paid fees for my own kids, it's my duty as a parent to facilitate the best opportunity I could for them, I think it would be more wrong to condemn them to a poor education because the state system in my area wasn't great. I wish to change the system for the greater good (a whole separate debate) but in the meantime it's not hypocritical to do the best you can. It's like saying you can't be a socialist if you're rich, just drivel bounded about by those threatened by a true meritocracy.

All people like her charge for speeches and £1750 is cheap (not that I'd think many would be thrilled by her oratory!).

Can't comment on the BBC thing as I don't know of it and as for Britain investing racism that's a fair criticism of Britain's past although countries like Spain have a good claim to it as well.

IRA 'supporter'? I doubt Ms Abbott supports some of the military tactics used by the IRA during the civil war that went on in the UK during the 70's to 90's but she may well sympathise with the cause for Irish freedom and reunification, free from British occupation. As you will gather I am a supporter of Irish reunification although I condemn the violence and atrocities committed by both sides, including the British Army as well as loyalist terrorists.

Maybe the best thing about Brexit is it may well bring about Irish freedom?

[Howjy04]

Apparently not, Howjy mate. Democracy was set in stone on 23 June 2016 and no change is allowed.

 

You are quite right Jean.I should have said,my way of thinking has changed.

[Howjy04]

You talk some proper rubbish, you really do.

I'm not particularly a fan of Ms Abbott but she isn't critical of people who privately educate their kids she's critical of the system and wants to change it, there's a big difference. Accusations of hypocrisy of that kind are typical right wing tactics to appeal to the small minded in order to discredit their opponents. I too had a grammar education and paid fees for my own kids, it's my duty as a parent to facilitate the best opportunity I could for them, I think it would be more wrong to condemn them to a poor education because the state system in my area wasn't great. I wish to change the system for the greater good (a whole separate debate) but in the meantime it's not hypocritical to do the best you can. It's like saying you can't be a socialist if you're rich, just drivel bounded about by those threatened by a true meritocracy.

All people like her charge for speeches and £1750 is cheap (not that I'd think many would be thrilled by her oratory!).

Can't comment on the BBC thing as I don't know of it and as for Britain investing racism that's a fair criticism of Britain's past although countries like Spain have a good claim to it as well.

IRA 'supporter'? I doubt Ms Abbott supports some of the military tactics used by the IRA during the civil war that went on in the UK during the 70's to 90's but she may well sympathise with the cause for Irish freedom and reunification, free from British occupation. As you will gather I am a supporter of Irish reunification although I condemn the violence and atrocities committed by both sides, including the British Army as well as loyalist terrorists.

Maybe the best thing about Brexit is it may well bring about Irish freedom?

Nice speech Jeremy.

[jimbo57]

You talk some proper rubbish, you really do.

I'm not particularly a fan of Ms Abbott but she isn't critical of people who privately educate their kids she's critical of the system and wants to change it, there's a big difference. Accusations of hypocrisy of that kind are typical right wing tactics to appeal to the small minded in order to discredit their opponents. I too had a grammar education and paid fees for my own kids, it's my duty as a parent to facilitate the best opportunity I could for them, I think it would be more wrong to condemn them to a poor education because the state system in my area wasn't great. I wish to change the system for the greater good (a whole separate debate) but in the meantime it's not hypocritical to do the best you can. It's like saying you can't be a socialist if you're rich, just drivel bounded about by those threatened by a true meritocracy.

All people like her charge for speeches and £1750 is cheap (not that I'd think many would be thrilled by her oratory!).

Can't comment on the BBC thing as I don't know of it and as for Britain investing racism that's a fair criticism of Britain's past although countries like Spain have a good claim to it as well.

IRA 'supporter'? I doubt Ms Abbott supports some of the military tactics used by the IRA during the civil war that went on in the UK during the 70's to 90's but she may well sympathise with the cause for Irish freedom and reunification, free from British occupation. As you will gather I am a supporter of Irish reunification although I condemn the violence and atrocities committed by both sides, including the British Army as well as loyalist terrorists.

Maybe the best thing about Brexit is it may well bring about Irish freedom?

 

How are they 'typical right wing tactics' when fellow Labour MP for Hackney Brian Sedgmore said about Dodgy Diane 'She will never be taken seriously again' after news of her paying for private education was revealed. She said herself that her action was 'indefensible', yet you choose to defend her when she doesn't.

And I've not even mentioned the £142,000 she claimed in expences in one year.

Yes, carry on defending her mate...even fellow Labour MPs don't do that.

[Santa]

If you really wanted your Brexit to happen you'd be better off laying off both her and JC and keeping them in their jobs.

 

The worst thing that could happen to Brexit is that Labour gets its act together.

[geosname]

If you really wanted your Brexit to happen you'd be better off laying off both her and JC and keeping them in their jobs.

 

The worst thing that could happen to Brexit is that Labour gets its act together.

I thought it had

[Fosse69]

How are they 'typical right wing tactics' when fellow Labour MP for Hackney Brian Sedgmore said about Dodgy Diane 'She will never be taken seriously again' after news of her paying for private education was revealed. She said herself that her action was 'indefensible', yet you choose to defend her when she doesn't.

And I've not even mentioned the £142,000 she claimed in expences in one year.

Yes, carry on defending her mate...even fellow Labour MPs don't do that.

Based on results, highly rated by 42k, (75%) of the voters, perhaps it is what she does for them, not the mud thrown at her that counts.