Is Browny tactically naive ?

[Mark W]

He is. Many tactical balls ups already. Saturday the latest in a long line (8 games, 1 goal at the back end of last year).

 

Its not just his set up; its his mid game alterations. I always rate a manager who isn't afraid to change things early doors. Brown didn't make a change until the 60th minute on Saturday.

 

Not saying he'll never be a decent manager, just that now he isn't very good. He may improve, but are we willing to one, take the risk that he won't, and two, wait out several seasons in League Two whilst he finds his feet.

 

Our last 3 managers have been been 'gambles' and we've been forced to accept fundamental flaws (Page's away form and negativity, Bruno's shambles, Brown's poor transfer and injury record) in the name of long-term improvement. I honestly don't think, with the attendances, atmosphere, and league position we can afford to wait 2-3 years.

 

Its very short-termism but we need success now, to start getting crowds back in. Persisting with Brown, waiting 3 seasons for him to learn when to make a sub, might push us even further back as a club.

 

edit: also beginning to doubt that Brown is getting unlucky with injuries. All of last season's injuries combined with this season's to Montano, Lainton, and Barnett already, with Wilson also looking unfit, suggests that its Brown training regime and lack of planning as opposed to freak chance.

 

He was so quick to blame Bruno for injuries but they're somehow unlucky under him. Can't have it both ways.

 

We're paying for the ill-judged decision to hand him the job at Christmas and then again at the end of last season without considering other candidates. We should have gone through a proper application and interview process (which Brown could have been part of) and appointed the best man. Bruno would surely have taken us down but I don't accept that we were so bad no manager could have saved us after Boxing Day. We only needed two more points to stay up in the end - we blew 11 from winning positions under Brown.

 

What was so appalling about Chesterfield last season was not just the lack of tactics, but the lack of motivation. They were as garbage as us but just wanted it that bit more. We're massively owed on Saturday. My fear is the manager will set up a team not to lose, rather than win - and we'll lose again.

[Santa]

I worry that he is.

 

Since the Micky era I think as a club we've placed too much value on being hardworking, fit, streetwise and hard to beat. All things you need to have but only an extent. A lot more decent football gets played at League Two level than some people credit for.

 

We look very Spartan at times, like a team of cloggers with not a great deal of nous or technical ability. I worry that Brown is becoming a poundshop Adams.

 

On Saturday it was worrying that we seemingly had no plan or pattern to our play. We just hit it long towards Pope and hoped he could win a few knock downs or that the second balls would come out in our favour. Playing two wingers doesn't work when they don't give their full backs enough support defensively, plus they exposed a central midfield pairing which was badly matched to begin with.

 

Like I said, I don't see any pattern to our build up play. I don't see us ever try to engineer an overload or draw opposing players into places they don't want to be. On Saturday's evidence we are still have problems creating anywhere near enough chances to be competitive. I wonder if Brown's analysts have any data about Expected Goals.

[Ben]

I worry that he is.

 

Since the Micky era I think as a club we've placed too much value on being hardworking, fit, streetwise and hard to beat. All things you need to have but only an extent. A lot more decent football gets played at League Two level than some people credit for.

 

We look very Spartan at times, like a team of cloggers with not a great deal of nous or technical ability. I worry that Brown is becoming a poundshop Adams.

 

On Saturday it was worrying that we seemingly had no plan or pattern to our play. We just hit it long towards Pope and hoped he could win a few knock downs or that the second balls would come out in our favour. Playing two wingers doesn't work when they don't give their full backs enough support defensively, plus they exposed a central midfield pairing which was badly matched to begin with.

 

Like I said, I don't see any pattern to our build up play. I don't see us ever try to engineer an overload or draw opposing players into places they don't want to be. On Saturday's evidence we are still have problems creating anywhere near enough chances to be competitive. I wonder if Brown's analysts have any data about Expected Goals.

 

2 games played 5 goals not bad depending how you look at it, wouldn't look like we have a problem with goals

[PVTony]

It is obvious that M.Brown is not the most experienced manager in L2, but hey, after only two league games, winning one and losing one, people want him gone???

Give the man a fair chance before judging him. Wait for at least ten games!

[Valiant62]

No, he isn't we've got a new team / squad that needs to gel and I'd have started with the eleven he did. Collectively and individually they had a mare and deserve a rollicking. Also, unpredictably, Turner and Whitfield made a decent go of arguing for a starting berth in the future. I'd have gone with Tom and Pyke and with Montano with the information available on Saturday morning though.

[Heatwave]

2 games played 5 goals not bad depending how you look at it, wouldn't look like we have a problem with goals

 

Maybe not with goals, but did you see how many shots on target we had Saturday? Not many that's for sure.

[Ben]

Maybe not with goals, but did you see how many shots on target we had Saturday? Not many that's for sure.

 

That's why I said it depends how you look at it:wink:

[Lornelounger]

It's the willingness to mix it up a bit that concerns me. On Saturday, from the kick off, our plan was to launch at long and diagonally left to try to find our front men. Wyecombe dealt with it comfortably, winning the second ball if they didn't win the first. So did anyone think to change it? No - we just kept doing the same thing hoping for different results, which is some people's definition of insanity. We played an aerial game that allowed them to keep winning the ball back, putting our defence under pressure, and we know what happened as a result. Did anyone suggest passing it through midfield on the ground? If so, I couldn't see much evidence of it. A neutral watching on Saturday might have thought we can't play that sort of game because we don't have the players, so eager were we to bypass midfield completely. If we do have the players, why don't we pass it on the deck quicker? One of the abiding memories of Saturday's game for me was how little urgency was shown, even at 0 - 3 down. Wyecombe were time wasting, of course, but even then, we didn't seem to be in any hurry to make an impact.

So I hope now that our prime tactic has been worked out by Wyecombe, and doubtless by other team scouts, we show the ability to try different things when it doesn't work. The so called leaders on the pitch have to be able to respond too - so if instructions aren't forthcoming from pitch side or at half time, the players must respond to what is going on in front of them. They can read it better than anyone, surely? I know Wyecombe's squad have been together for a while, but we really did look like a team that is still getting to know and trust each other last weekend - and too keen to get rid of the ball early when the pressure was on.

It's still early days, and perhaps the coaching team really do have an individual plan for each team we play, so I'll give them a few more games to convince me, but Saturday suggested to me that we are tactically naive.

[Fozza19]

We're 3 games in with a bucket load of new players compared to last year. Give it 10 games then I'll start to form an opinion.

 

Can we all calm down?

[Emile]

How many points from 10 games would be a good return?

[TylerB]

He hasn't got a clue. On paper I think he did well with the recruitment over the summer,and of course he and the team do need to be given the required time to gel as a unit. But I had absolutely no confidence in him when he was appointed and he has done absolutely nothing to change my mind, only convince me further if anything that he's not up to the job. I can't tell you how envious I was when we played Wycombe and they had Ainsworth on the sideline, actually showing passion and a bit of know how.

[raywalkersbananakick]

It is obvious that M.Brown is not the most experienced manager in L2, but hey, after only two league games, winning one and losing one, people want him gone???

Give the man a fair chance before judging him. Wait for at least ten games!

He had last season as well

 

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[Paul6754]

After the 1st 2 games and backend of last season has Brown got the tactical nous to get us out of L2 ⚽️

 

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What makes you think this way.

 

He seemed to get it right at Crawley, last Saturday was certainly a debacle and why Tonge was played against Leeds and not saved for Wycombe is questionable.

 

Vale were only relegated last season by one point despite the dire situation Bruno had created at Vale Park..

[TylerB]

We're 3 games in with a bucket load of new players compared to last year. Give it 10 games then I'll start to form an opinion.

 

Can we all calm down?

 

And what about last season? Yes, he inherited a shocking side but new managers usually re-energise the side for a handful of games at least and get a few good results, but with Brown we didn't even get that! At this moment in time his winning ratio for us must be amongst the poorest in the football league. And if people think he's suddenly going to become some sort of tactical genius, or someone that can motivate and get the best out of average players, then they really haven't got a Scoobie.

 

You get what you pay for, and with him we got a tin of fruit cocktail from Netto.

[Fozza19]

And what about last season? Yes, he inherited a shocking side but new managers usually re-energise the side for a handful of games at least and get a few good results, but with Brown we didn't even get that! At this moment in time his winning ratio for us must be amongst the poorest in the football league. And if people think he's suddenly going to become some sort of tactical genius, or someone that can motivate and get the best out of average players, then they really haven't got a Scoobie.

 

You get what you pay for, and with him we got a tin of fruit cocktail from Netto.

 

To be honest, I'd love to have seen anyone reenergise that squad.

 

 

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