Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

So if the majority vote to remain in a second vote do you expect that to unite the country? I also refuse to believe remain voters and MP's would accept a second leave vote.

Finally, if May's deal, no deal and remain are on the ballot paper you split the leave vote. You don't want to take any chances do you?

 

I don't think the country can be reunited, the basic problem is most of the wealth is in the South and they resist spending money on infrastructure and worthwhile employment in the North. This makes the North prone to Trump politics hence Farage in favour. The EU will always be the enemy in such an atmosphere, or not being in the EU will be a similar enemy. Eventually the drift to the large cities will swing the power away from the county areas, but at least 10/15 years away, metros versus doughnuts.

[tommytunstall]

No doubt yourself Mr H and some Momentum supporters are decent people, but over the country they are taking over many constituencies and aim to oust MPs and Councillors who are not leaning to the left. We have seen this before in the Kinnock era. As post 8881 points out despite your beliefs with a Left leading Labour Party you will always be in opposition. Especially with Corbyn in charge.

Why is that a problem? Have you been to any Momentum meetings or spoke with people in the organisation? They're (generally) genuinely decent people. I don't know where this reputation for being 'hard-left' boot boys has come from. In fact, when the last leadership challenge from Owen Smith was taking place, they vowed to get behind whoever was chosen as leader. They do so much campaigning and co-ordinating and, IMO, they made a real difference at the last election.

[Guest TommyMac]

So would you prefer revocation of Article 50 to a second referendum, even if it had No Deal as an option? If there was a 2nd referendum and leave won, I don't think the remainers could complain one iota. Even as a remainer, I occasionally think the best option would be a 2nd vote and for leave to win.

 

I want us to leave the EU with a deal and there's only one deal on the table.

If that can't get through Parliament I would reluctantly accept leaving with no deal.

If no deal is voted down then Article 50 should be revoked. The last thing I want is for the self-serving lying ******** in the HOC to have a way out with "we wanted to deliver on the referendum result but the second vote means our hands are tied".

Let them take it out of the people's hands and, as I've said before, face the consequences.

[Paul6754]

So if the majority vote to remain in a second vote do you expect that to unite the country? I also refuse to believe remain voters and MP's would accept a second leave vote.

Finally, if May's deal, no deal and remain are on the ballot paper you split the leave vote. You don't want to take any chances do you?

 

TM, there is no good ending to this mess, the fact that the Leave vote was a small majority testifies to that.

 

If the sum of the No Deal vote and "May's Deal" are greater than the Remain vote then Leave wins and which ever Leave vote is the greater is the one to go with.

[Heatwave]

Biased Bercow has been at it again.

 

He's only biased because you don't agree with him.

[Fosse69]

He's only biased because you don't agree with him.

Surely Bercow is the referee following the rules of the house, he only comes into his own when there is a hung parliament. No way out of that if you throw a majority away because you thing you need a bigger one.

[Regal Beagle]

Get Sir Nige involved and get out of the EU. We can gain a lot from his relationship with Trump.

[ginge]

Get Sir Nige involved and get out of the EU. We can gain a lot from his relationship with Trump.

 

Like selling off the NHS to insurance companies.

[JohnJames]

Get Sir Nige involved and get out of the EU. We can gain a lot from his relationship with Trump.

 

You really are a delusional fool

[ginge]

For all you saying the Brexit Party have no policies you're wrong.

 

These are:

Ignore climate change,

Sell the NHS to insurance companies,

Scrap workers rights,

Lower taxes for the mega-rich,

Fund research into gay conversion therapy.

 

Oh and just get us out of the EU with no plan afterwards.

[geosname]

Surely Bercow is the referee following the rules of the house, he only comes into his own when there is a hung parliament. No way out of that if you throw a majority away because you thing you need a bigger one.

 

A vale supporter who thinks refs can't be biased........ now come on fosse mate

[Fosse69]

A vale supporter who thinks refs can't be biased........ now come on fosse mate

 

But Bercow does not have to make instant decisions, he knows what is coming up and consults the rules and his staff. He was dealing with a PM who was coming up with all sorts of ruses,rarely answered questions, and lots of things are never brought in front of the house nowadays. The sort of ref we need when playing against teams like Stevenage, who continue to stretch the rules to their advantage and the detriment of the game.

[Guest TommyMac]

For all you saying the Brexit Party have no policies you're wrong.

 

These are:

Ignore climate change,

Sell the NHS to insurance companies,

Scrap workers rights,

Lower taxes for the mega-rich,

Fund research into gay conversion therapy.

 

Oh and just get us out of the EU with no plan afterwards.

 

And if they carried all that through, it's still preferable to a Corbyn led government.

[geosname]

But Bercow does not have to make instant decisions, he knows what is coming up and consults the rules and his staff. He was dealing with a PM who was coming up with all sorts of ruses,rarely answered questions, and lots of things are never brought in front of the house nowadays. The sort of ref we need when playing against teams like Stevenage, who continue to stretch the rules to their advantage and the detriment of the game.

 

He does make snap decisions and even when he knows what's coming he ignores the advice and rules....... people on both sides want him gone..... and it's little to do with brexit decisions.

[Fosse69]

He does make snap decisions and even when he knows what's coming he ignores the advice and rules....... people on both sides want him gone..... and it's little to do with brexit decisions.

 

I dont like him , I think he is a pompous ****, but if something is rejected by the house, why should it be brought back again without material change?