Brexit again...

[Regal Beagle]

Brilliant statement: Everyone has been let down by the Brexiteers who failed to plan. Tells it how it is, none of that dithering and can-kicking from our lot.

 

Yeah, his message was very clear and like you I am delighted he said those things, although I'm delighted because it increases the chances of no deal.

 

People need to wake up to these people injecting themselves into British democracy. Independence day cannot come soon enough.

 

That reminds me, I need a bottle of Champagne in before the ports are overwhelmed and we all starve to death.

[Fosse69]

I can see 16th June 2015?

 

Kind of proves my point though, we didn't have a second referendum after the advisory one to join the EU, so we shouldn't obviously have one here in our precedential legal system.

 

Whatever the type of referendum, if we are told before hand that whatever wins will be delivered, then it can only be advisory in name. I'll admit that the result did not legally bind Parliament, but they were constitutionally and morally bound to carry out brexit.

Where your proofs come from I do not know, nor morals in HP. So you ignored the part that said mandatory referendums have to have a threshold of either 60% of the vote or 50% of the electorate, (The AV referendum was such a referendum)

[Fosse69]

Yeah, his message was very clear and like you I am delighted he said those things, although I'm delighted because it increases the chances of no deal.

 

People need to wake up to these people injecting themselves into British democracy. Independence day cannot come soon enough.

 

That reminds me, I need a bottle of Champagne in before the ports are overwhelmed and we all starve to death.

I didn't say I was delighted, it is a sad day when the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.I wouldn't be delighted if I were you, a no-deal with riots and everyone clamouring to get back in the EU.

[The_godfather]

There will be no economic slowdown...maybe business will again cut manufacturing and cut hours as they always have done

whilst in the EU but they will have to decide what is worth a gamble. Reverting to WTO rules may mean we are better off and more flexible with whom we trade with thus bringing more profits more business and more jobs

 

 

If Europe doesn't want a free trade deal them more fool them!!

 

You must be seriously unstable to believe this. It's either master trolling, or unbelievable stupidity. I won't say which I think it is...

[For Us All]

Thank you Mr.Tusk,you've gained us a few more supporters with your comments.

[Regal Beagle]

Where your proofs come from I do not know, nor morals in HP. So you ignored the part that said mandatory referendums have to have a threshold of either 60% of the vote or 50% of the electorate, (The AV referendum was such a referendum)

I have not seen that part, I've not ignored it. I don't think it changes any of my many arguments though that we must leave and anything other than leaving is anti-democratic.

 

It is semantics as to whether the referendum was advisory. In fact I agree with you that it was. But we were told that the result would be delivered. The Government and Parliament chose to be bound by the decision, we knew this before we voted.

 

I didn't say I was delighted, it is a sad day when the UK is the laughing stock of Europe.I wouldn't be delighted if I were you, a no-deal with riots and everyone clamouring to get back in the EU.

 

Well a no deal brexit is the start of the end for the EU so they wont be laughing very long, and the idiots rioting will have nothing to riot over when it collapses.

 

Maybe we could then turn our attention to forming a trading bloc rather than a political union to replace it.

[geosname]

Mr tusks..... history has shown that intimidating and belittling the British people is not the best thing to do in the face of adversity...... it tends to stiffen their resolve.

It must be a scary thought that a few people of a small island would dare to go against the might of Europe and defy.

[Guest TommyMac]

a no-deal with riots and everyone clamouring to get back in the EU.

 

Such a shame that those potential rioters would put so much effort into countering a democratic decision and absolutely none into supporting it. IMO the shambles of a position we are in is more the blame of those opposing Brexit than those that voted to leave.

[JohnJames]

Mr tusks..... history has shown that intimidating and belittling the British people is not the best thing to do in the face of adversity...... it tends to stiffen their resolve.

It must be a scary thought that a few people of a small island would dare to go against the might of Europe and defy.

 

The “British People” didn’t lie it was Johnson with his bus. Fox with his it’ll be a piece of cake and the other lying clowns that produced this almighty cock up

[Fosse69]

Such a shame that those potential rioters would put so much effort into countering a democratic decision and absolutely none into supporting it. IMO the shambles of a position we are in is more the blame of those opposing Brexit than those that voted to leave.

As Tusk said the problem with the Brexit MPs was their lack of plans, one even turned up without papers, none were willing to take the job, and handed it to May who had campaigned to remain. There wont be riots about the decision, it would be lack of food etc

[Fosse69]

I have not seen that part, I've not ignored it. I don't think it changes any of my many arguments though that we must leave and anything other than leaving is anti-democratic.

 

It is semantics as to whether the referendum was advisory. In fact I agree with you that it was. But we were told that the result would be delivered. The Government and Parliament chose to be bound by the decision, we knew this before we voted.

 

 

 

Well a no deal brexit is the start of the end for the EU so they wont be laughing very long, and the idiots rioting will have nothing to riot over when it collapses.

 

Maybe we could then turn our attention to forming a trading bloc rather than a political union to replace it.

Didn't you read anything? Facts are not semantics.

[Jacko51]

Mr tusks..... history has shown that intimidating and belittling the British people is not the best thing to do in the face of adversity...... it tends to stiffen their resolve.

It must be a scary thought that a few people of a small island would dare to go against the might of Europe and defy.

 

Tusk wasn't intimidating and belittling the British people at all. He was criticising those idiots who promoted Brexit with no plans as to how it would be achieved. I think these were the blokes he had in mind.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/06/donald-tusk-special-place-hell-brexit-promoters-most-likely-burn?

[geosname]

The “British People” didn’t lie it was Johnson with his bus. Fox with his it’ll be a piece of cake and the other lying clowns that produced this almighty cock up

 

The cockup was created by the over simplistic question on the ballot paper, aided and abetted by the two totally incompetent campaigns of both sides and reinforce by incompetent parliament and government inabilities... not the British people who voted either way.

Only a fool believes campaign promises, especially those made by politicians.

[geosname]

Tusk wasn't intimidating and belittling the British people at all. He was criticising those idiots who promoted Brexit with no plans as to how it would be achieved. I think these were the blokes he had in mind.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/06/donald-tusk-special-place-hell-brexit-promoters-most-likely-burn?

 

Just a little dark humour Jean

[geosname]

As Tusk said the problem with the Brexit MPs was their lack of plans, one even turned up without papers, none were willing to take the job, and handed it to May who had campaigned to remain. There wont be riots about the decision, it would be lack of food etc

 

Mogg had a plan.... leave... full stop.

May not be the most complicated or diverse plan ever, not necessarily the best plan.