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Match Thread: Port Vale v Carlisle United


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Can't blame Askey for wanting to change formation after last Saturday and Tuesday. It was a risk but he compounded it by choosing Whitehead and Burgess in midfield, dropping our best defensive and best attacking midfielders, which within ten or so minutes began to look like a serious mistake. We've all had to put up with dire midfield performances over the years but that was one of the worst for a long time. We made Carlisle look like world beaters and it's the easiest three points they'll get all season. Appalling.  

Even worse, for me, if it can get any worse, is that there appears to be no leadership on the pitch. No one seemed capable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck and leading by example.  Nor did we have the physical strength to compete with another typical L2 side nor the mental alertness to win second balls or anticipate the next move. The general consensus (which I shared) that we have one of the strongest squads for a long time is beginning to look a bit hollow. We do not look anything like a winning side.

Today was absolutely awful and Askey now has more questions to answer than last week or we are going to find ourselves at the wrong end of the table. 

Time for a few sherberts - for all the wrong reasons. 

 

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3 minutes ago, philmpv said:

So this is the third or fourth time already this season that people have said how toothless up top. All with different strikers, including one whom most of you cry is the best striker in the league and another who seems to be able to score for any other team he plays for. Can we now agree that the issue is not the strikers, but the service. All hoofball again today. When will we learn?

Having the currently useless Worrall on one side and a raw kid still learning the game and out of his favourite position on the other is a big part of the reason why.

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Well, he’s tried something different with Robinson and Pope up front, not really one dimensional in that respect. Plenty of possession but balls into the box poor quality and in dangerous areas afraid to shoot. Had some opportunities early in the first half when t looked a matter of time before we scored but very wasteful and from 20 mins in they got complete control.  Not sure what’s happened to Worrall but he was poor again, maybe Whitehead had done enough to deserve a chance but he blew it for me and Burgess hasn’t done enough for a few games now. To be fair, Conlon was quiet at Morecambe and they targetted Joyce successfully but with hindisght they maybe should have started today. All a bit of a reality check after the Exeter performance. Rodney maybe not flexible enough to play midfield, also maybe our best striking option. Defence messed about with two changes, not sure why he took Brisley out, though it was Legge looked dodgier today than Crookes. Oh dear, I’m a bit depressed.

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1 hour ago, TylerB said:

Biggest issue is neither Burgess or Whitehead are defensive minded. Had we had Joyce and Colon on I think we would look less exposed at times in midfield. Having an almost complete new defence today is far from ideal also don’t forget.

The match stats show 3 interception by us and 25 by them. A combination of poor passing by us and them being a lot sharper.  Our midfield seemed all too easy to get past with little effort to tackle.  
 

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6 minutes ago, philmpv said:

So this is the third or fourth time already this season that people have said how toothless up top. All with different strikers, including one whom most of you cry is the best striker in the league and another who seems to be able to score for any other team he plays for. Can we now agree that the issue is not the strikers, but the service. All hoofball again today. When will we learn?

Spot on Philip, spot on.

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So this is the third or fourth time already this season that people have said how toothless up top. All with different strikers, including one whom most of you cry is the best striker in the league and another who seems to be able to score for any other team he plays for. Can we now agree that the issue is not the strikers, but the service. All hoofball again today. When will we learn?
Spot on. Without any kind of service how can we either score goals or win matches. Far too many players today were clueless. Without Oyeleke we have no vision or guile. However the glaring conclusion is that whoever we play up front will struggle with the non existent ideas from midfield. Opponents know totally how to play against Vale and until the management realise that, we will struggle.
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Think the players should apologise to Carol for taking the shine off her day.  

Missing two goals was the downfall of Vale today.  If Rodders header had gone in and Pope had scored, we would have taken the 3 points.  The Vale side crumbled and it seemed the players did not want to shoot at goal, but let someone else take the responsibility of shooting.

 

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3 minutes ago, MBE said:

Tyler it is has been poor but come on... You can't blame Askey for Rondey missing an absolute sitter and Pope not being clinical from the penalty spot. 

I’ve given up on everything and everyone to be honest. I’m gonna become a Buddhist and knock football on it’s head. <ovf censored> it.

Nice knowing you all.

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I think Carlisle were a good side. But the team selection by Askey and then his management of tactics during the game today were very poor. 6 changes????????? Completely overrun in central midfield because he has weakened the side with his selections. Then on top of that he has not adjusted the tactics to address us being outnumbered there. Last week at Morecambe, who parked the bus and aren't a good technical team, he also made the wrong choices when he needed to improve us in the final third. I am really annoyed. I think personally has cost us at least 4 points and possibly all 6. I know we had chances to day but the stats say they had 16 shots to our 8, they had 6 on target to our 1 (a pen) and they had 25 interceptions - way more than us - because our midfield was incredibly poor. We then went long with straight balls in the wrong position. Finally, why is Whitehead on the ball taking the freekick near the end and kicking it hopelessly to their first defender. He was having a truly monumentally poor game. At least Worrall should have been over it.  

OK, I will calm down, and everyone makes mistakes, but Askey needs to improve. 

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22 minutes ago, Powerline said:

Whitehead is absolutely awful 

Worst player on the pitch today. Almost got himself sent off in the first half and in the second, when perfectly placed, he sent a shot from the edge of the D into the stands. Then with probably our last chance to send a good free kick into the box, it doesn't even clear the first defender. Can't blame the lad really, he was having a mare, but by that time Askey should have subbed him. 

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