Extinction Rebellion versus brexit

[Essex Vale]

All very interesting. What is the connection to Port Vale?

[toyahw]

All very interesting. What is the connection to Port Vale?

 

None, except for the boggy pitch maybe. And that is why it is off-topic.

[Paul6754]

Sure which one was that?

 

Read back a few pages, posed it twice.

[geosname]

No problems with the “rant”. 97% of the scientists have an agenda though? Seems an odd conspiracy theory. I suppose I’m also interested why you’re so angry. “The mob” were not violent and supported by loads of different spiritual leaders etc.

 

You lost my interest at "spiritual leaders"

In my opinion..... the climate will change no matter what people do or don't do, as it always has. The question is how we affect it with the constantly increasing demand for power..... the simplist action is to cut the demand... that won't happen.

[For Us All]

A nationwide school strike has been organised by UK Youth Strike 4 Climate.

38 cities have pledged to take part and a mass walkout by pupils and students is expected between 11am-2pm on Friday.

I suppose it's the next best thing to a 'snow day'?

[toyahw]

I wonder how many are adequately educated in the scientific method, and the science of the matter, to be able to weigh the relevant facts and make a considered conclusion?

 

 

Or they have been told, or it was unusually warm for the time yesterday. Or they have a cuddly polar bear toy?

 

 

This pathetic kind of tokenism is reflective of the entire stupidity of the public debate around the whole thing. I'm not saying this as a snob. Just it descends a serious existential debate to the level of a school project.

[geosname]

Is there a viable alternative?

[Paul6754]

A nationwide school strike has been organised by UK Youth Strike 4 Climate.

38 cities have pledged to take part and a mass walkout by pupils and students is expected between 11am-2pm on Friday.

I suppose it's the next best thing to a 'snow day'?

 

Just shows how the theory of man induced climate change has become a dogma, even a religion and anyone who dares to challenge it is lambasted. Once Politicians and the media get involved any chance of rationality goes out of the window.

[For Us All]

Just shows how the theory of man induced climate change has become a dogma, even a religion and anyone who dares to challenge it is lambasted. Once Politicians and the media get involved any chance of rationality goes out of the window.

 

Why are they chanting Oh Jeremy Corbyn?

[Santa]

And as if by magic, the right wing culture war appears.

[geosname]

The left wing in the USA have the green new deal...... which apparently includes scrapping cars, planes, fossil fuels, nuclear and cow farts... plus rebuilding or refurbishing every building across the country within 10 years.... and a promise to financially take care of you if you choose not to work plus free medical care and education...... looks like they will be printing a lot of money.

[For Us All]

And as if by magic, the right wing culture war appears.

 

Could it possibly have have anything to do with the left-wing indoctrination in our schools and universities?

[For Us All]

Today is officially the hottest February day ever recorded in Britain as the temperature reached 20.3°C in Ceredigion,west Wales.It is also the first time ever the mercury has topped 20°C in winter in the UK.

[Wrex]

Bizarre to see climate change denial from Potteries folk considering that 100 years or so ago in this very city one could barely breathe due to the smoke from the pottery kilns and industry. Lots of my ancestors died from lung diseases.

 

The pollution was killing the human population so how the hell anyone can say it had no effect on the environment itself is beyond me. Maybe because of the advances we've had, catalytic converters and the like, that have made the pollution less visible. Perhaps it's a case of "I can't see it with my eyes therefore it doesn't exist".

 

That's without going into the scientific evidence of course. I'm just going on good old "common sense". I can't accept that there are people out there that genuinely believe that pumping millions/billions of tonnes of gases into the air over a period of decades/centuries all across the globe has no effect on the climate.

 

I mean do people not understand that the Amazon rainforest is a fraction of what is was? Do they not appreciate that until relatively recently North America was covered with forests and plains? It's only a few hundred years ago that bison roamed the great plains in almost unimaginable numbers. Now they're near threatened. Passenger pigeons used to make the sky black with their weight of numbers. Now they're extinct. This is entirely due to human activity. This is fact. This is recorded history. Recent history, not in some dusty Latin text written thousands of years ago.

 

Hell, how long ago was the BP oil spill? 5 million barrels of oil spilt into the ocean. That was an accident. A tiny fraction of what we use every year. That wasn't meant to go into the ocean but it was meant to be refined and used. The consequences of which are gases released into the air. Gases traped in oil miles beneath the ground released into the atmosphere i.e. the envelope of gases surrounding the earth or another planet. The atmosphere as in that place where clouds are, where rain comes from, that protects us from the deadly radiation from the Sun whilst simultaneously trapping the heat of the Sun so that we don't freeze to death at night or melt in the day. Try living on Venus if you think a planet's atmosphere doesn't matter much (twice as far from the Sun as Neptune but three times as hot).

 

People know all this and then still say "oh yeah scientists are all on the take", "it's all about politicians trying make a few quid off the poor oil/coal/gas industry", "damn those hippies and tree huggers with their made up lies". Come on for ***** sake, get a clue. I'm not an environmentalist, I frankly couldn't give much of a toss if in 100 years the sea levels are 50m higher and future generations are cursing us for ruining their planet. I'll be long dead by then, it's their problem more than ours. I just wanted to point out to all the climate change deniers how ******* dumb you sound to the rest of us, that's all. I mean in a turkeys voting for Christmas analogy then the oil executives and lobbyists are Bernard Matthews and the slaughter men ******* themselves laughing at climate change deniers, who are the turkeys going round telling their mates that Christmas dinner is a conspiracy theory out forward by hippy scientist turkeys.

[For Us All]

You'd have thought that the Green Party would have gained popularity over time but it's gone downbank since 2015 with its voters more than halving to just half a million?