Brexit again...

[geosname]

Sorry it is a good question. We have certainly seen the downsides job losses, market instability etc. Remind uS what if any benefits we can expect.

 

It's difficult to blame job losses on brexit because it hasn't happened..... that accusation and many other should be directed towards the houses of parliament and their inabilities.

[geosname]

Don't forget the outstanding Mark Francois who is to politics what Alan Partridge is to broadcasting. His latest effort is to call for a second vote on Theresa May's leadership because the facts have changed. This is an ardent brexiteer who is hotly opposed to a second referendum!

 

I'm opposed to one myself but not because I want to leave.... it seems dangerous to overturn a referendum result that has not been acted upon by another referendum result. If the first is not binding or actionable why would the second be?

Especially when you set the precedent of not acting on referendums by? It's tail the second referendum. ... it's self destructive .... do we have a third, a decider, when the precedent has already been set by the first? It's tail chasing.

It would also make it a real possibility that if enough people didn't like the elected government they could legitimately demand another general election before they took office.... they wouldn't get it of course because the politicos won't oust themselves.

[geosname]

God help combating inequality, poverty, tax evasion, homelessness, the use of nuclear weapons and standing up for the NHS, young people, the vulnerable and our public services.

 

Jeremy is in it for himself with all those expenses he claims.

 

If your suggesting jezza has the ability to tackle those issues in a real constructive way just answer one question....... where will the money come from?

The really scary bit is....... even he doesn't know.

It's mostly rhetoric to gain support to get elected...... sadly.

[Jacko51]

I'm opposed to one myself

 

Me too, I was simply pointing out the ludicrous double standards of Francois.

[ginge]

If your suggesting jezza has the ability to tackle those issues in a real constructive way just answer one question....... where will the money come from?

The really scary bit is....... even he doesn't know.

It's mostly rhetoric to gain support to get elected...... sadly.

 

Pretty sure he made it clear in the manifesto. A fairer tax system, and by borrowing to invest. Whether you believe it's a money tree or not is your opinion. But ask yourself where the money for the DUP partnership came from, or HS2....

 

Austerity is a choice. Inequality in this country is too high.

[geosname]

Pretty sure he made it clear in the manifesto. A fairer tax system, and by borrowing to invest. Whether you believe it's a money tree or not is your opinion. But ask yourself where the money for the DUP partnership came from, or HS2....

 

Austerity is a choice. Inequality in this country is too high.

 

From a manifesto that is rhetoric to get elected......

What exactly is a fairer tax system?

Who do you borrow from, what do you invest it in? When do you start to pay it back?

Promises like the one to honour the result of the referendum..... look how that's turning out....

Everything is a choice for someone.

Are you talking equality of outcome or opportunity?

Please don't think I support the Tories because I knock Labour... nothing could be further from the truth.

[geosname]

Me too, I was simply pointing out the ludicrous double standards of Francois.

 

Pick a name..... any name..... from the 650 + 800 in that noble place in london... or the many members of the local councils....

[Guest TommyMac]

Me too, I was simply pointing out the ludicrous double standards of Francois.

 

My one crumb of comfort if we don't leave the EU will be to see the smirk wiped off that man's face.

[TheSage]

I think most would hope that a sensible deal can be reached still but it's increasingly looking like any deal is going to leave us a lot worse off than we were.

I know some feel that we'll gain from having more "sovereignty" and tighter control of borders, etc. but it's impossible to argue out on economic grounds and far better for peace and Ireland if we remain. Over three years talks I just can't see, overall, that any perceived benefits outweigh the advantages.

 

It would not be a re-run of the last vote if it came to that. It would be based on explicit terms and exactly what the deal is and what the ramifications are. That's different. Last time it was simply in or out. And the problem all along is that there have been lots of different varieties of leave, as well as an awful lot of porkies told to us about how easy and simple it would all be. But that has been blown out of the water because we never had a workable and realistic plan, just bombast and false promises.

 

And I still maintain that democracy isn't static and that mature people do re-think and reassess things as time passes.

If you are a demolition worker and told to blow up a building do you go ahead when the police have told you there might be an old lady in there? Of course you do! You have made a decision and you're sticking to it!!

[For Us All]

Possibly but it's still not half as silly as the people who can't debate and feel the need to shut down debates by trying to falsely accuse people of racism.

 

It's getting out of hand now RB,a Fulham fan living in California has been banned from having COYW on his number plate.

Unsurprisingly,he's suing the DMV.

PC gone mad.

You couldn't make it up?

[ginge]

Still not heard a single benefit of leaving the EU. The only thing people keep saying is we voted for it so we have to go through with it.

[Fosse69]

From a manifesto that is rhetoric to get elected......

What exactly is a fairer tax system?

Who do you borrow from, what do you invest it in? When do you start to pay it back?

Promises like the one to honour the result of the referendum..... look how that's turning out....

Everything is a choice for someone.

Are you talking equality of outcome or opportunity?

Please don't think I support the Tories because I knock Labour... nothing could be further from the truth.

A fairer tax system would be different to what we have, VAT affects the lower paid more, Income tax could be steeper, council bands are 20 years out of date and should not be capped, tax evasion, wealth taxes (on the wealthy not the average joe), plenty to go. Payback? Crossrail in London maybe £20Billion when it finishes will give faster links and capacity, but the financial benefits go to the construction firms and their employees, property owners close to the stations, property developers in new areas now viable. However a few years away from an election.

[Howjy04]

Still not heard a single benefit of leaving the EU. The only thing people keep saying is we voted for it so we have to go through with it.

 

1)We can make our own trade deals with the rest of the world without the EU’s permission.

2) We wouldn’t have to contribute to the EU pot.(billions)

 

Ginge,why do you think the EU don’t want us to leave?Because they love us? Or possibly £££££ ??

[Howjy04]

A fairer tax system would be different to what we have, VAT affects the lower paid more, Income tax could be steeper, council bands are 20 years out of date and should not be capped, tax evasion, wealth taxes (on the wealthy not the average joe), plenty to go. Payback? Crossrail in London maybe £20Billion when it finishes will give faster links and capacity, but the financial benefits go to the construction firms and their employees, property owners close to the stations, property developers in new areas now viable. However a few years away from an election.

We can set our own VAT rates if we Brexit.They may not be a lot different but we have the choice.Every year more people don’t pay income tax due to band increases.Where do you think tax payments should start and at what levels percentage wise.Do you think we should increase corporation tax and decrease inheritance levels or increase inheritance tax?Council tax increases would benefit everyone.Everyone should share the increase?

[Fosse69]

We can set our own VAT rates if we Brexit.They may not be a lot different but we have the choice.Every year more people don’t pay income tax due to band increases.Where do you think tax payments should start and at what levels percentage wise.Do you think we should increase corporation tax and decrease inheritance levels or increase inheritance tax?Council tax increases would benefit everyone.Everyone should share the increase?

A choice for the next generation, the current system is broken, the country is split between young and old, how the current parties will transform, evolve, disappear who knows.