Brexit again...

[Fosse69]

How does that solve border control and sovereignty?

 

The only way your post is relevant is if we elect a majority of brexit candidates who will then represent the people enough to leave the EU.

 

So are you advocating a brexit supporting house?

As explained previously we already have border control, just never monitored ins and outs. Sovereignty parliament always had, the Supreme Court explained it, and it was used this week. Brexit never mentioned.

[colin]

People voted on a single issue as they were asked, if mps of whatever persuasion dont understand that they are more than a little dim.... the vote was to leave the EU... not part leave... not leave with strings.... not leave but keep your foot in the door.... not leave and drag all the crap with you.... not come back and keep asking the same question until we get the answer that suits us.... just leave.

There are problems with the deal may has bartered the family jewels for.... it's for the people to decide I hear remainers and politicians say.... have another referendum is the cry...... ok.... I agree..... on the principal that the decision to leave has already been taken and decided..... the referendum question should be..... Mays deal.... yes or no.

 

The decision to leave has already been taken.... honour it..... if people want another referendum on in or out of the EU have it after the first has been completed.... with a minimum of 65% either way to be decisive perhaps.

 

This is why referendums are problematic though. And people voted Leave for many different reasons. There are lots of Leave voters who support May's deal. Some Leave voters are against a no-deal. The referendum did not specify how we were going to leave. Oh if it was that simple.

[ginge]

People voted on a single issue as they were asked, if mps of whatever persuasion dont understand that they are more than a little dim.... the vote was to leave the EU... not part leave... not leave with strings.... not leave but keep your foot in the door.... not leave and drag all the crap with you.... not come back and keep asking the same question until we get the answer that suits us.... just leave.

There are problems with the deal may has bartered the family jewels for.... it's for the people to decide I hear remainers and politicians say.... have another referendum is the cry...... ok.... I agree..... on the principal that the decision to leave has already been taken and decided..... the referendum question should be..... Mays deal.... yes or no.

 

The decision to leave has already been taken.... honour it..... if people want another referendum on in or out of the EU have it after the first has been completed.... with a minimum of 65% either way to be decisive perhaps.

 

People voted a majority of remain MPs. They are not going to push with something they think is wrong. Why would they vote for something that they think will make us poorer! If people want leave mps then they should have voted them in to get whatever brexit they want through parliament. But then what a state of parliament would be with a load of Farages

[Howjy04]

Well,they only got one seat with 4 million voters,so it won't make a lot of difference.

 

I’d be quite happy for them to get 4m again Tone.Guarantees Steptoe won’t be PM.

[geosname]

You don't just vote your MP on Brexit though. There are other things going on in the country more important than this. Poverty, inequality, climate change, health issues, knife crime, extremism.

 

What cures poverty..... increase the minimum wage?..... doesn't that just change the benchmark that defines poverty?

Inequality of opportunity or outcome.... one I'm in favour of the other I'm against.

Climate change...... the most effective way to combat climate change is to reduce power usage..... it won't happen.

What do you mean by health?..... longer life? Which affects climate change.

It's illegal to carry a bladed instrument...... has that stopped people doing it? Carrying knives? Carrying a knife isn't a problem it's using them to harm others that causes the problem..... I carry a knife.... a small folding fruit knife when I'm on the market.....2 knives when fishing.... and a sword cane when walking, mainly for the wild dogs and other animals who tend to attack.

Extremism?...... I would prefer it visible, in the open, rather than the dark corners of a beer house where it can grow and fester like mould.

All debatable without breaking a promise to deliver brexit.

[whotobeakiller]

What do you define as betray?

 

Betraying a major referendum decision by the electorate what did you think I meant

 

Voting against May's deal?

 

The 'deal' is not what people voted for...the deal is another treaty we wanted out of the EU full stop...no compromises unless they were reasonable Example free trade deal

 

Voting against triggering article 50?

 

The Parliament voted to activate Article 50 with the intention of denying the vote...with us having the benefit of seeing what they have done since we can firmly conclude they never intended to obey the leave vote decision although they always stated they would in their majority. They revoked the law they passed...they never attempted to plan for a no deal brexit and work with various sectors to secure it because they didn't want out of the gravy train

 

What is actually betray? Gareth Snell respects the vote and wants to leave with a customs union, he is against a second vote. Is he betraying? Paul Farrelly voted against triggering A50, he still got in, he now wants a people's vote or to revoke. Is he betraying? JRM and Boris wanted no deal but now are happy to change their vote. Are they betraying?

 

Gareth Snell and Paul Farrelly both hindered the vote because the customs union is still being in the EU and Farrelly wanted out completely when he was supposed to be honouring 60% of the Newcastle under Lyme decision to leave...amazed he still has his seat. BTW Gareth Snell is on record as ridiculing leave voters after the referendum so if you are looking for a leave champion in Snell it falls down there

[geosname]

People voted a majority of remain MPs. They are not going to push with something they think is wrong. Why would they vote for something that they think will make us poorer! If people want leave mps then they should have voted them in to get whatever brexit they want through parliament. But then what a state of parliament would be with a load of Farages

 

Mps agreed to honour the decision of the referendum.... we're they lying?

They voted to trigger article 50 with the default being no deal..... we're they stupid?

You don't think parliament is in chaos now?

Vindictive votes....... that all fail.

Some politicians claiming they nearly won.... but lost because they couldn't get enough people to agree.

Second referendum....... lost.

customs union...... lost.

And on and on and on...... with jezza pleading for a general election..... again.

 

Be honest...... they are all crap.

[For Us All]

He's putting all of them first ahead of his parliamentary career. He is doing what is best in his mind which is what N-U-L elected him to do. He had already voted against triggering article 50, but N-U-L re-elected him. We knew what his views were when voting him in!

 

Yes,but these same MP's voted overwhelmingly by 498 votes to 114 to trigger Article 50 two years ago.

He was re-elected in 2017 by a majority of 30 votes and that was questionable?

[Heatwave]

We had to wait 40 years before having a second say on the EU.

 

Lets not pretend that what you are suggesting is anything other than wanting to reverse the decision of the first referendum.

 

To be clear it is fine to have another referendum, but we must leave first and give it a reasonable amount of time to be successful.

 

Well, who could blame anyone for recommending another vote seeing as the bid to leave is in chaos and the opinion polls are now running consistently to remain? Only in Britain could a vote so long ago tie the hands of the legislature.

 

It's like saying we had an election in 2017 so we don't need another one ever again.

[colin]

 

The 'deal' is not what people voted for...the deal is another treaty we wanted out of the EU full stop...no compromises unless they were reasonable Example free trade deal

 

 

 

There are many leave voters who support Mays deal. They are betraying their own vote?

[TheSage]

The problem was/is that leaving isn't as simple as that and everyone has their own views of how we should leave, across a wide spectrum from a hard No Deal through to a very Soft Brexit. That's the real issue here. Leavers are split on how they want to move forward.

 

It's true that there are some pro-Europeans in the Commons who are equally adamant that they don't want to leave, and want to speak up for the 48%. They believe that leaving would be very costly and have a negative impact on their constituents' wealth and living standards, so are pulling back from what they see as an abyss. Rightly or wrongly.

 

The best way forward for me is a Soft Brexit [and perhaps ask the voters again if they really want that]. I can't see any other way of trying to bring everyone together and get some broad agreement.

 

I think I read this morning where someone said we ought to go with May's arrangements or similar and hold another vote in 5 years time to see where the land lies. Maybe that's a runner.

[Regal Beagle]

Well, who could blame anyone for recommending another vote seeing as the bid to leave is in chaos and the opinion polls are now running consistently to remain? Only in Britain could a vote so long ago tie the hands of the legislature.

 

It's like saying we had an election in 2017 so we don't need another one ever again.

 

What is the point in voting at all if it doesn't mean anything.

 

Image a second vote, remain wins but we leave anyway?

 

Tyranny is the most dangerous threat to us all. No one wins.

[Regal Beagle]

As explained previously we already have border control, just never monitored ins and outs. Sovereignty parliament always had, the Supreme Court explained it, and it was used this week. Brexit never mentioned.

Simply not true.

 

We can all argue that water isn't wet, doesn't make it true.

[Heatwave]

Simply not true.

 

We can all argue that water isn't wet, doesn't make it true.

 

The way it worked is that directives were agreed by the European Parliament, issued by the European Commission and enacted in each member state's legislature, so are in fact that state's own laws. Their subject matters were on things like health and safety and waste disposal so usually non controversial.

 

If the Commission issued a directive that was seen as problematic to an individual state/government then they negotiated and received exemptions - something the Commission did for Britain on many occasions; our not becoming part of the Eurozone and some of the requirements of the Maastricht Treaty are examples.

 

So you can't say it isn't true just because you don't want it to be.

[whotobeakiller]

There are many leave voters who support Mays deal. They are betraying their own vote?

 

Where's your evidence of that