Brexit again...

[ginge]

Where's your evidence of that

 

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/andrew-percy-brexit-betrayal-eu-2649237

 

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/iceland-boss-urges-politicians-to-set-aside-ideology-and-seal-mays-brexit-deal-37536000.html

[Andyregs]

The problem was/is that leaving isn't as simple as that and everyone has their own views of how we should leave, across a wide spectrum from a hard No Deal through to a very Soft Brexit. That's the real issue here. Leavers are split on how they want to move forward.

 

It's true that there are some pro-Europeans in the Commons who are equally adamant that they don't want to leave, and want to speak up for the 48%. They believe that leaving would be very costly and have a negative impact on their constituents' wealth and living standards, so are pulling back from what they see as an abyss. Rightly or wrongly.

 

The best way forward for me is a Soft Brexit [and perhaps ask the voters again if they really want that]. I can't see any other way of trying to bring everyone together and get some broad agreement.

 

I think I read this morning where someone said we ought to go with May's arrangements or similar and hold another vote in 5 years time to see where the land lies. Maybe that's a runner.

 

Once we are out we lose our privileged position. We’d have to have the euro etc.

[Fosse69]

Simply not true.

 

We can all argue that water isn't wet, doesn't make it true.

Same rules for every EU country and we have a wet border.

[For Us All]

Well, who could blame anyone for recommending another vote seeing as the bid to leave is in chaos and the opinion polls are now running consistently to remain? Only in Britain could a vote so long ago tie the hands of the legislature.

 

It's like saying we had an election in 2017 so we don't need another one ever again.

 

We've had to wait forty odd years to try and get out of this so-called common market which turned into this undemocratic protection racket we have now.

[For Us All]

Police cars and ambulances?

There are times when you need that bit of welly to get out of trouble.

When it's introduced and lane change inhibitors and pre brakeing and instruments to keep you awake and off phones..... Will there be a need for driving licences? Or insurance?.... won't the guarantee of the cars effectiveness from the manufacturer void the need for insurance?

 

Has the UK had a say in this or is all down to those who must be obeyed.If it all goes **** up who's accountable?

[Andyregs]

Yes,but these same MP's voted overwhelmingly by 498 votes to 114 to trigger Article 50 two years ago.

He was re-elected in 2017 by a majority of 30 votes and that was questionable?

 

It was questionable whether he should have got more, and the opposition knew that.

[Fosse69]

Has the UK had a say in this or is all down to those who must be obeyed.If it all goes **** up who's accountable?

The sovereign parliament, incapable of removing an incapable PM after the last election. Anyone who made such a mess of an election was not likely to be able to compete with EU professionals whose food and drink is compromise, not a schoolboy debating chamber.

[Andyregs]

Civil war.

 

After your claims of vindictiveness from remainers, you’re supporting violence and probable death?

Or was it an off the cuff comment not to be taken seriously?

[Fosse69]

Yes,but these same MP's voted overwhelmingly by 498 votes to 114 to trigger Article 50 two years ago.

He was re-elected in 2017 by a majority of 30 votes and that was questionable?

But without triggering Article 50 it was not possible to deal with the EU (With the option to cancel), I would have assumed that May had already laid plans for the deal, but Davies turned up with no papers apart from the idea that non-members can get a better deal than a member without all the rules.

[geosname]

Well, who could blame anyone for recommending another vote seeing as the bid to leave is in chaos and the opinion polls are now running consistently to remain? Only in Britain could a vote so long ago tie the hands of the legislature.

 

It's like saying we had an election in 2017 so we don't need another one ever again.

 

It's more like saying you had an election in 2017..... you don't get another because you don't like who won.

If politicians want a second referendum on Mays deal..... fine..... Mays deal or no deal...... should be the question..... or Mays deal...... yes or no.

That's acceptable because it's a vote on how to leave not whether we should leave.... but let's not rig it from the start.... with Mays deal.... no deal... remain.... remain could get as little as 40% of the vote and win.... is that the fiddled democracy we will accept?

 

As for polls..... didn't they say remain would win?..... trump would lose big?

[whotobeakiller]

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/local-news/andrew-percy-brexit-betrayal-eu-2649237

 

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/iceland-boss-urges-politicians-to-set-aside-ideology-and-seal-mays-brexit-deal-37536000.html

 

No evidence presented that you have the fact 17.4 million people wanted a deal

[Regal Beagle]

The way it worked is that directives were agreed by the European Parliament, issued by the European Commission and enacted in each member state's legislature, so are in fact that state's own laws. Their subject matters were on things like health and safety and waste disposal so usually non controversial.

 

If the Commission issued a directive that was seen as problematic to an individual state/government then they negotiated and received exemptions - something the Commission did for Britain on many occasions; our not becoming part of the Eurozone and some of the requirements of the Maastricht Treaty are examples.

 

So you can't say it isn't true just because you don't want it to be.

 

Can the EU punish us if we attempt to make a UK law that is deemed incompatible with EU law?

 

Secondly, here is the definition of sovereignty - supreme power or authority.

 

So please tell me again how our legislature is a supreme power or authority, when there is another power or authority that will punish our legislature if we do something that they don't like?

 

It is literally written on the EU court's website.

[Regal Beagle]

After your claims of vindictiveness from remainers, you’re supporting violence and probable death?

Or was it an off the cuff comment not to be taken seriously?

 

I'm supporting freedom and democracy.

 

I'm against tyranny, violence and abuse of power, hence my many posts in this thread.

[Regal Beagle]

Same rules for every EU country and we have a wet border.

 

Then why on earth are we putting £9bn pound a year into the EU when the majority of countries are taking out more than they put in?

 

Same rules for everyone

[Fosse69]

Then why on earth are we putting £9bn pound a year into the EU when the majority of countries are taking out more than they put in?

 

Same rules for everyone

That is nothing to do with border rules.