Brexit again...

[For Us All]

Clearly, in part, it is to do with Brexit.

There are other factors at work but Brexit is a variable. Yes or no?

 

Panasonic, Phillips, Nissan & Honda are all moving away from the UK and to Europe and Japan.

The uncertainty of the last 2 1/2 years has fuelled these exits and accelerated them faster and faster.

Even the PM of Japan, Abe, was warning about the dangers of dithering and a no deal Brexit last year.

 

56% of UK car exports go to the EU. Only 7% in our direction.

 

Brexit is a contributing factor. End of. Stop being silly.

 

Any form of Brexit, but particularly a No-Deal, would be terrible for the UK.

 

Nobody's being silly when they quote what the vice-president of Honda says.

I understand that it's not what the Remainers want to here but I'm afraid it's fact.

[Regal Beagle]

Any form of Brexit, but particularly a No-Deal, would be terrible for the UK.

 

But not as terrible as a bad deal or remaining.

[The_godfather]

But not as terrible as a bad deal or remaining.

 

Yeah yeah. We'll see.

[tommytunstall]

I voted to Remain, but I agree we should leave, the problem is how? I do not believe that 52% of voters want a no deal, but they would like a constructive deal. Perhaps the new party may help, as we need politicians to work together, not lîke we have now.

But not as terrible as a bad deal or remaining.

[whotobeakiller]

I voted to Remain, but I agree we should leave, the problem is how? I do not believe that 52% of voters want a no deal, but they would like a constructive deal. Perhaps the new party may help, as we need politicians to work together, not lîke we have now.

 

The question on the ballot paper was a straight in and out...your claim that 52% or a majority of the 52% wanted some sort of deal with the EU is laughable-we want nothing to do with the EU however a consensus free trade deal would have been satisfactory for all without the political 'gun to the head' conditions that the EU imposes

[tommytunstall]

When the country voted there was no mention of Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, No deal etc. These scenarios had not been envisaged. I firmly believe that most SENSIBLE people want a negotiated deal.

The question on the ballot paper was a straight in and out...your claim that 52% or a majority of the 52% wanted some sort of deal with the EU is laughable-we want nothing to do with the EU however a consensus free trade deal would have been satisfactory for all without the political 'gun to the head' conditions that the EU imposes

[The_godfather]

The question on the ballot paper was a straight in and out...your claim that 52% or a majority of the 52% wanted some sort of deal with the EU is laughable-we want nothing to do with the EU however a consensus free trade deal would have been satisfactory for all without the political 'gun to the head' conditions that the EU imposes

 

Laughable, says the man claiming to speak for 17 million people, all of whom want 'nothing to do with the EU', but we'll have a nice trade deal please, because we're important - don't you know who I am? The ballot paper was really simple, so what we should do is use that as a template regardless of any circumstances.

 

All the answers, but without even knowing what the real questions are...

 

Just out of interest, are you a big Norman Smurthwaite fan? I'm guessing you must be.

[geosname]

The Labour splitters won't help they want another vote.

Jezza wants to meddle with junker.

May has lost the plot.

And no bugger is doing anything to actually get on with it... Except yap

[JohnJames]

52% voted for this?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/brexit-uk-will-apply-food-tariffs-in-case-of-no-deal-michael-gove-says?CMP=fb_gu

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/britons-may-need-52-visa-to-visit-mainland-europe-after-brexit?CMP=fb_gu

[For Us All]

52% voted for this?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/19/brexit-uk-will-apply-food-tariffs-in-case-of-no-deal-michael-gove-says?CMP=fb_gu

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/britons-may-need-52-visa-to-visit-mainland-europe-after-brexit?CMP=fb_gu

 

All if's and maybe's from the Guardian.

I haven't voted for Labour in the past but every time they've been in power I've always been worse off.

We were promised that the result of the referendum would be honoured but it seems most of this rabble in parliament are doing their best to thwart it?

[TheSage]

Most sensible people would want us to leave with a reasonable deal, on good terms with the EU.

If we can't get that then we should have another re-think and put it back to the people.

The idea of a harsh, No-Deal Brexit is appalling economic sense and apart from a few dozen nutters in the now split Tory Party no-one wants that.

 

I see where Liam Fox has managed to negotiate a trade deal for us with the Faroe Islands! My gratitude knows no bounds.

[Fosse69]

All if's and maybe's from the Guardian.

I haven't voted for Labour in the past but every time they've been in power I've always been worse off.

We were promised that the result of the referendum would be honoured but it seems most of this rabble in parliament are doing their best to thwart it?

How do you honour a simple question on a complex subject? By running away the day after. The ones left behind cant make their minds up on what the answer is, so it is a choice of " blind deal", "vote again" or accidental "no deal"

[JohnJames]

All if's and maybe's from the Guardian.

I haven't voted for Labour in the past but every time they've been in power I've always been worse off.

We were promised that the result of the referendum would be honoured but it seems most of this rabble in parliament are doing their best to thwart it?

 

One is a direct quote from Gove.

Pharmacies have ever increasing lists of drugs that are on the shortage list which means that can pay more to get hold of them

Get you head from up your arse

[The_godfather]

Most sensible people would want us to leave with a reasonable deal, on good terms with the EU.

If we can't get that then we should have another re-think and put it back to the people.

The idea of a harsh, No-Deal Brexit is appalling economic sense and apart from a few dozen nutters in the now split Tory Party no-one wants that.

 

I see where Liam Fox has managed to negotiate a trade deal for us with the Faroe Islands! My gratitude knows no bounds.

 

Sage, boundless common sense as usual, but unfortunately it seems to be that common sense has gone out of the window completely. Many, many people in the public appear to believe, based on the bulls**t info fed to them, that No Deal will be fine; very little impact to the UK, the EU will come back crawling to us.

 

This is all seemingly evidenced by the fact that the EU, that shadowy, evil superstate, is reaching out to help minimise and mitigate utter catastrophe. Work that one out.

 

These are normal people that somehow believe Jacob Rees-Mogg, who wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire, is a sound choice to lead the country, and someone who represents their interests.

 

The economic impacts notwithstanding, the knock on effect of a No Deal will be catastrophic from a cultural and social perspective. Rifts will not heal. Splits will be deepened as both sides become entrenched. It won't suddenly go away, because it is literally only about 10% of the way through. There are many, many more clusterf*cks on the way.

[Regal Beagle]

Sage, boundless common sense as usual, but unfortunately it seems to be that common sense has gone out of the window completely. Many, many people in the public appear to believe, based on the bulls**t info fed to them, that No Deal will be fine; very little impact to the UK, the EU will come back crawling to us.

 

This is all seemingly evidenced by the fact that the EU, that shadowy, evil superstate, is reaching out to help minimise and mitigate utter catastrophe. Work that one out.

 

These are normal people that somehow believe Jacob Rees-Mogg, who wouldn't **** on them if they were on fire, is a sound choice to lead the country, and someone who represents their interests.

 

The economic impacts notwithstanding, the knock on effect of a No Deal will be catastrophic from a cultural and social perspective. Rifts will not heal. Splits will be deepened as both sides become entrenched. It won't suddenly go away, because it is literally only about 10% of the way through. There are many, many more clusterf*cks on the way.

 

I don't think I've ever seen a remainer use the word because.

 

It will be a disaster, it will be terrible, there will be rifts, many more clusterfucks.

 

Why?

 

We will control our own destiny. You surely have to accept that a country can be successful outside of the EU, given that there are very few countries inside of the EU, relative to the rest of the world.

 

Why can't we be successful, like the hundreds of countries who manage to survive and trade without being forced to fling their borders open or give up their legislative sovereignty?

 

There are in infinite number of variables, yet the OVF economists (who knew there were so many?) are able to make a judgement on many of them and forecast their disaster scenarios. More likely is that they've been taken in by the project fear lies that are actually based on doomsday worst case scenario predictions whereby we leave the EU but continue as if nothing has changed - obviously a situation that wont happen.

 

The facts as I see them, are that every single project fear prediction has been proven wrong so far. I have no faith that any of the undetermined predictions will come true.

 

I would argue that the biggest variable in the success or failure of brexit is the competency and strength of our future Government.