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Regal Beagle Mentor

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I've not tried to silence you (the chance would be a fine thing), merely pointed out that you defend and praise bigots and racists. Everything in my quoted post is fact, whether you find it sanctimonious or not is of absolutely no interest to me.

 

I don't believe a single word of this post is true.

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geosname Experienced

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During the referendum campaign, Farage didn’t want a clean break as you put, he was advocating the Norway model. Several of the more vociferous Leavers were denying they wanted to leave the single market. Owen Paterson said only a madman would do so. The clean break or leave without a deal has only been mooted after the referendum by the Leave leaders, not before.

 

I can't remember people talking about no deal until article 50 made it the default position... a large majority of mps did that.

I think I remember a leaflet saying no customs union etc.

The deal proposed by May is probably the worst deal possible.... even worse than no deal?

All the proposed compromises include the things the leaflet excluded..... the politicians did all the above on their own, no help from the public was needed.

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Regal Beagle Mentor

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The problem continues on here with some of you because you still won't concede a point and admit to anything that does not support your own biased views.

 

We were discussing Brexit and how the far right has infiltrated the Leave movement and ramped up aggressive and jingoistic emotions.

 

But instead of saying, yes, that's a fair point, you either ignore the facts completely or change the subject to Corbyn and the Labour Party because you don't want to address the issue.

Haha do as I say not as I do eh Sage.

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Regal Beagle Mentor

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During the referendum campaign, Farage didn’t want a clean break as you put, he was advocating the Norway model. Several of the more vociferous Leavers were denying they wanted to leave the single market. Owen Paterson said only a madman would do so. The clean break or leave without a deal has only been mooted after the referendum by the Leave leaders, not before.

 

Probably when we all knew the negotiation plan was to actually threaten to come out. Just before we all found out that the negotiation tactic was to try and stay in the EU but just call it Brexit.

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The problem continues on here with some of you because you still won't concede a point and admit to anything that does not support your own biased views.

 

We were discussing Brexit and how the far right has infiltrated the Leave movement and ramped up aggressive and jingoistic emotions.

 

But instead of saying, yes, that's a fair point, you either ignore the facts completely or change the subject to Corbyn and the Labour Party because you don't want to address the issue.

 

The far right has been around since before brexit mate, they were and continue to be a problem that is difficult to deal with without it destroying free speech.

Brexit is an easy bandwagon for them to jump on but that doesn't mean all leave voters are far right or racist.... but the more brexit voters are ostracized and marginalised the more they are susceptible to lean that way to be heard... any port in a storm as the saying goes.

The far right is dangerous..... so is the far left... both threaten life as we want it.

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Some time back - 1977 in fact - a friend who was then well placed in the Civil Service told me it was an absolute bonus for the UK to be in the centre of Europe because, in his opinion, it gave the UK power to control, disrupt Europe and benefit Britain like never before.

 

So my question is: Given the 'perceived power' of the Oxbridge Civil Service over Parliament what role / influence did they bring to bear leading up to the Referendum?

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Some time back - 1977 in fact - a friend who was then well placed in the Civil Service told me it was an absolute bonus for the UK to be in the centre of Europe because, in his opinion, it gave the UK power to control, disrupt Europe and benefit Britain like never before.

 

So my question is: Given the 'perceived power' of the Oxbridge Civil Service over Parliament what role / influence did they bring to bear leading up to the Referendum?

I don't think they did. The current theory, which may be included in Cameron`s book this summer, is that it was an accident. He did not expect to win the election so included the referendum as a vote booster but it would be over ruled by the Liberals in coalition , thus no plans required. So the civil service would have carried on as before, I often wonder if the EU are realising they could be better off now they have had time to prepare for our departure.
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What is this UKIP Plan for a clean break? How does it work, surely Farage with all his EU experience would have set it out in front of the nation, then been invited into the Lords, and made PM to carry it out in a couple of weeks. No point in going through the process of becoming an MP for such a leader.

 

The plan is to leave without a deal...the start our own trade deals

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