Brexit again...

[Guest TommyMac]

The young left wing are to blame for the rise for the fascists? The people who oppose racism and bigotry and turn out to counter demonstrations by the likes of Yaxley-Lennon and his far-right thugs are to blame for the rise of those very same people,yet the "many moderate conservatives who ... will join them" aren't? You're talking nonsense!

 

Let me put this into simple words even you can understand.

 

There wouldn't be a surge in the far right if people (mainly young labour supporters) weren't trying to overturn a democratic vote before it has even been enacted. If a person's vote is rendered useless they will turn their back on democracy and seek a voice elsewhere. What group will welcome them in? I'll give you a clue, it's not the Harry Potter fan club.

[geosname]

Where has anyone said that everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist?

 

We are talking about far right extremism here, not mainstream conservatism.

 

Clearly there is a large and rowdy group of rabble rousing, flag waving, extreme nationalists who have crawled from underneath their stones and are making hay over Brexit.

Farage is almost seen as the acceptable face of all this but included in this hateful number are the likes of the BNP, EDL, Tommy Robinson, Batten, Benjamin and Blaiklock.

They associate themselves with, take advice from, and openly praise far right groups, like US white supremacist, Bannon.

 

If some of you think these people do no wrong then that's your choice. But I condemn them out of hand and want nothing at all to do with them.

 

Your first line?....... really?..... it was one of the remainers first counter arguments.

What's wrong with waving your flag?.... whichever flag that maybe..... is it racist for the Scots to waive their flag? The Americans? Or just the English?

Because some say hateful things whilst waving a flag shouldn't tar every flag waver.

[Jacko51]

Let me put this into simple words even you can understand.

 

There wouldn't be a surge in the far right if people (mainly young labour supporters) weren't trying to overturn a democratic vote before it has even been enacted. If a person's vote is rendered useless they will turn their back on democracy and seek a voice elsewhere. What group will welcome them in? I'll give you a clue, it's not the Harry Potter fan club.

 

Democratic votes risk being overturned every five years. Democratic decisions are not set in stone. The Swiss courts have just overturned a democratic decision made in a referendum because they ruled that the electorate hadn’t been given enough information. Now there’s a novel idea!

 

I don’t want another referendum. I just want the far right of the Tory Party like the ERG together with the DUP, to accept that compromise is needed to bring an end to this complete buggers muddle.

[mr.hobblesworth]

The surge in the far-right was happening well before Brexit and whilst that vote may have emphasised division and the subsequent (cross-party) attempts to scupper or organise a confirmatory vote may have frustrated some, to then decide to follow the far-right takes quite a leap. Unless, of course, you want you racist beliefs to be pandered to.

[geosname]

Democratic votes risk being overturned every five years. Democratic decisions are not set in stone. The Swiss courts have just overturned a democratic decision made in a referendum because they ruled that the electorate hadn’t been given enough information. Now there’s a novel idea!

 

I don’t want another referendum. I just want the far right of the Tory Party like the ERG together with the DUP, to accept that compromise is needed to bring an end to this complete buggers muddle.

 

Not giving enough information is novel for the Swiss...... especially the banks.

Compromise over brexit is difficult when honouring the vote..... the only compromises available don't take us out at all.... just a little bit out or in screws it.

[geosname]

The surge in the far-right was happening well before Brexit and whilst that vote may have emphasised division and the subsequent (cross-party) attempts to scupper or organise a confirmatory vote may have frustrated some, to then decide to follow the far-right takes quite a leap. Unless, of course, you want you racist beliefs to be pandered to.

 

I'm not sure it was a surge.... they did get gobby and the media gave it a lot of airtime.

[Guest TommyMac]

Democratic votes risk being overturned every five years. Democratic decisions are not set in stone. The Swiss courts have just overturned a democratic decision made in a referendum because they ruled that the electorate hadn’t been given enough information. Now there’s a novel idea!

 

I don’t want another referendum. I just want the far right of the Tory Party like the ERG together with the DUP, to accept that compromise is needed to bring an end to this complete buggers muddle.

 

How many democratic votes are overturned BEFORE they are enacted?

[mr.hobblesworth]

How many democratic votes are overturned BEFORE they are enacted?

 

[Guest TommyMac]

 

Brilliant and just so typical.

[Regal Beagle]

Funny how you refer to a man who used a mock up of a fascist poster, who constantly dog whistles to the far right, lied about the UK's immigration policy in order to demonise Syrians and sang nazi songs in his youth as 'sir' yet bleat when people call you racist.

 

Well I don't use racist language and don't hold racist views. So I am unhappy when people try to silence me by falsely accusing me of disgusting things.

 

In fact it is you that thinks some language which has been described as racist and is a derogatory term based on skin colour is acceptable to use.

 

I'm not a big fan of your sanctimonious posts and moral posturing.

 

You've posted stuff directed at individuals on here which is not acceptable in my opinion, I point it out but I don't constantly try to score points by falsely claiming I'm better than you. I refuse to be judged by you especially when you claim to have evidence for your view points but consistently fail to provide it.

 

Stop the childish games. Why do you think that the far right is gaining traction? Because constantly calling people racist for no reason radicalizes people. Censorship is the same.

 

We need reasonable debates protected by free speech but some are hell bent on preventing that.

[JohnJames]

Show us the evidence

[mr.hobblesworth]

Like I said,be afraid of the Brexit Party with Nigel at the wheel.

 

[whotobeakiller]

Where has anyone said that everyone who voted for Brexit is a racist?

 

We are talking about far right extremism here, not mainstream conservatism.

 

Clearly there is a large and rowdy group of rabble rousing, flag waving, extreme nationalists who have crawled from underneath their stones and are making hay over Brexit.

Farage is almost seen as the acceptable face of all this but included in this hateful number are the likes of the BNP, EDL, Tommy Robinson, Batten, Benjamin and Blaiklock.

They associate themselves with, take advice from, and openly praise far right groups, like US white supremacist, Bannon.

 

If some of you think these people do no wrong then that's your choice. But I condemn them out of hand and want nothing at all to do with them.

 

You were banned from here for an atrocious racist outburst, Carl. You can hardly blame people for labelling UKIPers as racist when they consistently say, do and support racist things. The leader of UKIP has been pro-active about welcoming the far-right in to your party and now you start bleating about being called racist. You can't have it both ways.

 

You advocate for the labour party yet your party is full of anti semite and anti white working class people. Abbott and Lammy have preached hate against white people and several anti semites plus momentum not to mention local mp Ruth Smeeth's hope not hate one of the most anti democracy vile organisations around.

 

The distinct difference is that UKIP are purposely hounded by the establishment press and things misconstrued. Do Labour get picked up about their misgivings in the press like UKIP do?? No they do not.

 

Your manner on this site is always vindictive and straight away,as someone has pointed out...you lose the argument.

 

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

[For Us All]

Yet you support the communist loving Corbyn. Accusing Farage of being a racist, you need to have a look at Communism history and how racist they were. Stalins Russia killed far more Ukrainians than the Nazis killed Jews. So there is bad on both sides of the extremism.

 

They are all Labour party hippos who are glad to support a racist party but throw the race card at everyone else.

[TheSage]

Some of you lot write some drivel, you really do.

 

Where do you get your facts from?

(a) Enid Blyton

(b) Janet and John Book 2

© The Mail

or

(d) The Brexit News.

 

Abbot and Lammy have not preached hate against white people. Stop making it up.

UKIP misconstrued? Are you having a laugh? Are you really serious?

 

As I told you all previously, why not try reading critically and having an open mind?

 

I've trawled through hundreds of pages on this thread and yet to see some of you concede a fair point or acknowledge a fact.