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I’ll get my tin hat on for this one. It’s time she kopped the majority of blame here. She bought the club debt free. And as Vale fans we were overjoyed after the last crook. However the last 18 months have been shambolic. As fans I hear, yeah the academy are doing good. We will get millions for him and him. We have sold this lad to Man City for hundreds of thousands. Etc. Etc. Bearing in mind as supporters we don’t see that money. So isn’t it right to question why we are almost 10 million in debt when she bought it debt free? The bread and butter. The football. It’s garbage. With garbage footballers. Shes also had 4 managers now in her short tenure. And I dare say the latest one won’t last long. Shes divided a fanbase with her cringeworthy backing of a man who was intent on ruining Port Vale. David Flitcroft. And only sacked him after a group of fans had to give her head a wobble. The laughs and jokes and arrogance as Flitcroft announced that relegation wasn’t in his vocabulary. Followed by the cringe distraction of “El Presidente”. Probably for her and his ego. The Valiant Suite talk about how people she met 5 minutes ago told her our players are phenomenal and we won’t go down. She was very quick to go on radio and tv across the country when it went good. Then sunk back into her shell, apart from the most pathetic open letter I’ve ever read, when she more or less slagged off her fanbase. Those that loved her. In support for one crook. Sorry Carol. The time has come to break your silence. The last 18 months has been an absolute disaster. And the repercussions will carry on because that debt isn’t good, the players are garbage, the manager is looking like a dear in the headlights, and the fans are well and truly demoralized with the whole debacle. The buck stops at the top. Before any idiot says “Who do you want to buy us”, I’m not saying she should sell. My point is that her decisions, as owner of this football club, have got us into this financial mess and on the pitch it’s an absolute disgrace. The worst Vale team I’ve seen in 40 plus years. And if it was Smurthwaite at the helm, going through all of this, you’d all be raging. She needs to be accountable for her actions.

I've seen a few people asking to bin Nathan Smith off after he has had his first bad run of games in his near decade-long career with us. Please, someone tell me why we should get rid of our most consistent player of the last 8-10 years or so after a month or two of poor performances, during games in which everyone else on the pitch played equally as poorly or worse than him? Some very short memories among Vale fans it seems. He is being played out of position and getting caught out by wingers in a role that doesn't suit him, I like Lowe's organisation of the backline, but his aerial ability for the centre of a three is to be desired. Smith is not the tallest, but at least he can be dominant in the air over the majority of forwards in this league.

Absolutely massive credit to Bede, Mellor, Mark, Tony, Jean, NLV lads, and anyone I missed off. They braved it and talked Carol into viewing things very differently. Got a load of undeserved stick from people who didn’t have a clue. Once again, these lads and ladies sacrifice time and effort for PVFC. Raising a glass to them.

What an unbelievable bit of media that is from the club. The bloke normally announces the biggest transfers in World football. Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar etc. He has 30 million followers. Brilliant exposure for the club. The bloke is a huge name in World football. The fact he has tweeted about us 3 x this past week is quite astonishing. It really does feel like some of the hard work is beginning to pay off in terms of changing people's perceptions of Port Vale as a football club. It was always going to take somebody taking a punt on us to get the ball rolling, & I think we got that shot when Spurs gave us Alfie. We clearly did a great job with him, as well as Ollie, & it has started the ball rolling. We are in a great position to be able to pretty much guarantee these players first team football at League 1 level & we now have the evidence to back those claims up. The tide is turning & we are clearly making progressive steps. I think there's lots of things behind the scenes that are playing a part. The loan lads all live in a house together, they have the foodie footballer going in & walking them through how to cook their own nutritious meals, look after themselves & help with recovery. We've now got the T-Zone, the ice baths, the family area where their parents & friends can enjoy the match. They are really well looked after. I also think our run in the Youth Cup last year will have really helped. I went to the Liverpool game where we somehow got beat 1-0. We played them off the park for large parts of that game. No doubt they will have been impressed with what they witnessed & word travels fast in footballing circles. If you'd have told me before the season that we'd have 3 current England under 20 players joining us on loan this season, in addition to a lad that's played in Liverpool's 1st team & Champions League football, I'd have laughed it off. Massive credit to the club for starting to turn the tide & change opinions to help improve us. I'm really excited for the future. I think if we can stabilise & keep making small improvements & progress in the next couple of years, we'll be in a really good position to have a go at sniffing around the higher echelons of League 1.

Can we all just stop slating loft see his name come up so much give the lad a break hes our player whether you like it or not just get behind him while hes wearing our badge

Loft was excellent today. I hope the guy who was bad mouthing him at the Supporters Club meeting was there to see it.

Hmmm... You're complaining that the club has a media team that plans questions for interviews in advance? You're complaining that they've come up with a idea of using some of interview answers as good PR to encourage other loanees to select the club? You're complaining about a video clip that you really don't have to watch if you don't want to? Bizarre. It's the official club channel. If you want unfiltered, spontaneous, not toeing the party line Vale content there's podcasts, newsletters and vlogs you can get that sort of content. But it's not the club's job to do it - it's surely their job to produce professional content that portrays the club in a good light. It seems downright odd to criticise the media team for doing a professional job.

Coming back for a good mate and vale fan's funeral next Thursday then to the match on Friday and home to Wales on Saturday ...just win it for Patrick,RIP mucka ⚽VTID UTV

Our form since September (at which point we didn't win again until December) has us 138th in the form table of the entire EFL + top 3 non-league divisions. 18 points. There's only 5 clubs and 8 points between us and being at the very bottom of 6 x 24 team divisions. Would you like to know the best bit, gents? While we're rubbing shoulders with Dover Athletic (15 points) and Bishops Stortford (10 points) they're still one up on us as both have scored more <ovf censored> goals. We're 142/144 for goals scored since September in the EFL and below. Strikers signed in the January window to correct this horrific record = none. How does she say with a straight face that he's doing a good job?

On 1st January we were 15th in the league with 29 points from 23 games. Exeter were 4th bottom with 23 points. We signed 5 players none of whom started today and none of whom are league one standard. Exeter signed 4 players and 2 of them scored 3 of their goals today. If anyone thinks our position is down to anything other than completely sh*** recruitment then they must be mad. Each transfer window we have rebuilt with polystyrene instead of bricks. And we seem to have spent a ludicrous amount of money in doing so. Moore makes mistakes but he has inherited a squad that is lacking in balance, bottle and balls. That's all.

Having personally dealt with Matt all throughout this 'process', I'd appeal for us all to let the dust settle and show the man a bit of respect. He has been true to every word that he has said to me and others and I believe that the club will change for the better in the coming weeks and months. Rest assured, I won't <ovf censored> rest unless it does. We're <ovf censored> on the pitch. We're angry in the stands. We've all been treated poorly and left behind. But these aren't bad people, they have just had bad judgement and bad advice. We're trying to change that, and they are listening. Let's give them a chance to repair that.

Right decision and will benefit Port Vale in the long run if not the short run to the end of this season. My view on Carol is that I try to judge people on intentions over execution. Her intentions are absolutely to do the best she can for Port Vale. That gets her a significant amount of leeway in my eyes. The execution hasn’t been perfect and it’s clear as a person she is very loyal and tends to hold on to people for too long when it’s clear they should go. Its not the worst fault in the world, I can name many MANY worse by just looking at previous owners.

If you think the Shanahans are in it to make money you are absolutely deluded. Why should we sign a striker like Cole Stockton who hasn’t scored a league goal this season? And football is fun because I get to have a good laugh at the **** some folk post on here. And that is opinion so feel free to argue

Gutless. Cowards. Pathetic. And I’m not just on about the shameful players on that pitch. If we win together and lose together then the whole club should hang their heads tonight. In my 44 years on this planet, I’ve never seen a worse 45 minutes on a football pitch. Disgusted. We deserve to go down. Carol needs to hang her head in shame with her decisions throughout the last 18 months. Those players, who go crying to her because some podcast is slating them, need to get some thick skin because as a collective they are absolutely pathetic. Bez on his podcast is right. Bottlejobs. The lot of them. That 2nd half was disgusting. Darren Moore. What the <ovf censored> have you said at half time?!!!!! I’ve had the mans back but that is criminal to defend a 2-0 lead. League 2 next season. 9 million in debt. Dogshit players. Signed a lad from the USA 2nd division for the remainder of the season who can’t get in the squad with 4 games to go! Seriously. If this was under Smurthwaite we would be raging! The buck stops at the top. The decisions that have been made have been nothing short of a disgrace. Owner. Manager. Coaching Staff. Players. Today. As representatives of Port Vale Football Club, you’re an absolute disgrace.

I clapped. I told them to get their heads up and go again Saturday. I did it because as fans we have nothing else left we can do. These players are the only ones who can get us out of this. We've got two massive games on Saturday and Tuesday. We need to stay behind them until the end now. Giving them a round of <ovf censored> and booing them will do nowt. Showing them we're backing them just might. Give the players/the club/the recruitment team etc... both barrels if we do go down. Anyone who knows me will tell you that if I don't think they're putting it in, I'll let them know. But right now the only option as fans is giving every bit of support we can (even if it looks like the players aren't). At least we've done our bit then.

It's been an absolutely car crash of a season and relegation is an absolute guarantee at this point. And the office upstairs have failed the club miserably. However. For the first time in years we've got some decent young players coming through the ranks and it's just refreshing to see the likes of Bailey, Walters and plant playing. No one is claiming he's a world beater but for the love of God give the 17 year a old a break instead of writing him off because he's in a bad team. He's just scored two goals for the national team under 17s. What have you done with your life ? "Fans" like you are exactly the problem with modern day football. Saying he's leek town level is a joke and disgrace and yet if he was to bang in a hat trick next week you'd be loving him Shame on you for slating the young man.

I thought I'd start this thread EXCLUSIVELY for Happy Clappers. As a bona-fide member myself I'd just like to say I'm really looking forward to this coming season. I'm happy to state now that if pushed for a prediction, then I think we will finish somewhere between 24th and 1st. Good luck all connected with the club, the players in particular. I'll feel a bit like RZ at first as I won't be able to identify most of the players but I'm sure I'll get there by Christmas. Up the Vale (Ps, I reckon 3 posts before it's spammed by a moaner [emoji1787]).

I'll watch how I word this for fear of upsetting folk. But your last paragraph is the absolute crux of why I go to the game. I want to be entertained and win a few home games ( our home form is abysmal like last year ). Whilst I am grateful for everything our owners have done and saving the club we seem to of taken our eyes off the ball on the pitch. Heres the bit I'll get stick for but I've broad shoulders. Not concerned with fanzones, rollover hotdogs, face painting, DJ ( who just seems to amuse himself), or old folks bingo. I want to see a team on the pitch with desire and intent. Too often we are able to predict what will happen ( Saturday a case in point). All the extras and goodwill are great . But ultimately I pay for my 2 season tickets to see the action on the pitch. And it's poor fayre.

CAFC fan here. Enjoyed all the comments on Uche, all very helpful. He's coming into us as 4th/5th choice IMO, but whilst we have players injured we need a focal point for a more direct playing style that Appleton wants to implement. Through that lens it looks like a good signing. Would be underwhelmed if he was coming in as the main man to build around next season. He is coming in as we have Leaburn and Aneke out injured. JCH and Ladapo were both on our radar and I think that was more of an either or as opposed to Uche being a target because we didn't get JCH. A back up should we lose May to injury. Fingers crossed you lot get the fire-power you need over the next couple of weeks and best of luck for the second half of the season.

Anyone who wants rid of Darren after that needs to wobble their head. Things I got from that is that he’s not going to take any crap. He’s the boss of this football club. He’s got a clear plan. Nobody to answer to other than the hierarchy. Yes, talk is cheap, but I’m 100% convinced we have the right man in charge to take us forward and fair play to Matt who fronted up the mistakes made. If we can offload the deadwood and get in who Darren wants, we will be in a great place moving forward.

I may be being overly simplistic but I see it as: Infrastructure improvements - great to have A competitive, balanced first-team squad - must have In order of priority: 1) First-team squad 2) Infrastructure I'm also surprised that when other clubs in similar positions were clearly able to bring in experienced strikers (Lyle Taylor to Cambridge say, or Mo Eisa to Exeter) these moves appeared to raise no alarm bells and no change of plan. The club seemed to stay in its bubble of - let's wait and see what happens / wait till bigger clubs make signings and get their offcasts / look at the PL2 market / wait till deadline day - almost as if adding another striker was a nice thing to have, not an absolute essential. Where were the alarm bells once Uche had been injured? Why, if these other clubs are paying over the odds for Taylor, Eisa etc, did we not react and see if we could move some of the budget from other things to the playing budget and pay over the odds to ensure we get the right player in? Perhaps there was no budget to move, but the attitude after failing to sign anyone seems to be for the club to have shrugged its shoulders and say "Oh well, we missed out on some targets" as if it's a slight mishap rather than something that could seal relegation. Why does the club appear to not have learnt any lessons from the previous transfer windows? This is a club that on the 1st August had one senior striker in Ellis Harrison. A club who started the previous season with one fit, senior striker in Jamie Proctor. A club who waited till the very final day in January 2023 to add an injured striker despite us having no fit strikers at the start of the year. Yes, we all get it's difficult to get a striker in. We realise there's a load of factors to getting someone in - but other clubs seemed to manage to do so. You won't get very far if you continually repeat the same mistakes every window.

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Wow - you manage to kill the mood every time, don't you? "Begging around" and "scrounge" are as far away as they can be from what's really happening here - we are identifying young and gifted talent from elite clubs, and persuading them that these players can get a good grounding with us. None of this is done by happenstance...nor with a begging bowl! As you may have read, Man United "scouted us" for a while, to make sure we were the real deal for them. That, alone, is a feather in our cap - to establish that kind of trust with clubs like Liverpool and Man IU. We often hear "why can they loan players from top clubs, but we can't?" - it's because we've never put in the groundwork that has to be done, and not, since the days of Rudgie, had many managers with the chutzpah to ask Man Utd for one of their players, on loan? Yes - I get we're still 18th in the League...and some of us think we're one game from the drop...but we haven't played many matches, recently, for various reasons out of our control, which has left us with up to 3 games in hand, and a single win could move us up 4 or 5 ;places. Take a look upwards, for a change, instead of permanently fearing the drop? It's not scary!

Just had a quick squizz at how the proven strikers that were bandied about on here as being the answer to all our prayers are doing so far this season. Cole Stockton, Tyler Walker, Aaron Pressley, JCH (Brian's choice), Tyrese Simpson, Dale Taylor - 9 league goals between the lot of them. Garritys got more than any of them.

v593, I'm not intending in any way to be rude to you, but have you ever considered the possibility that if you want to help things to get better you sometimes have to be positive and encouraging? Ryan Loft is very probably going to be part of the Vale squad throughout next season. Given that fact, supporters have a choice of two options - 1. Carry on being hostile to him, deriding every effort he makes. Result - he has no confidence and draws a season's wages for mostly sitting on the bench or out of the matchday squad altogether, then leaves Vale. 2. Offer the lad a fresh start, get behind him and encourage him every appearance, and see if he can do better over a decent run of games. Result - at best, he has a better season, and contributes assists and goals for the team. Result - at worst, we are no worse off than 1. above, but at least we played our own part well.

Well, we are down, but my overriding feeling is, thank ***k it's finally over. I do have to say that this has been my least enjoyable season ever, with a truly stunning lack of the most basic footballing skills and a yellow streak a yard wide down their backs. There are a couple, but only a couple of exceptions, I am amazed that any one club could let alone would, assemble such a huge pile of dross. There is no chance that it can be rectified in just one close season, we are facing a long hard slog. Next season has got to be survival until the January window then hopefully getting a few more players in to complement those brought in during the close season. Maybe just maybe we will finish above halfway, giving a platform to push on in 25/26. The players may think they are ready for a break, but by golly nowhere near as much as us fans.

I don’t see what more she could have said in the statement to be honest. Emotions are running high, so whatever she says, people will undoubtedly find something wrong with it if they want to. yes mistakes have been made, but I don’t agree with all the Carol out talk and all that nonsense. Protests etc are there for when the club is in a catastrophic position and could disappear or the owner(s) are that much of a shyster and asset stripping the club. Neither of those scenarios ring true here. The club isn’t at risk of closing, the owner isn’t taking the club for all the money she can (in fact she’s losing money), she’s simply made some poor business decisions (Flitcroft) and we’ve had a dreadful season. There are 92 league clubs. Out of those 92, 12 clubs are relegated every season. It’s the nature of the game. If the fans of every club relegated, protested to remove their owners each year, there’d be no one left to own a football club. I think past history has made a protest the first port (no pun intended) of call for some Vale fans, when it fact it should be the final measure, the extreme if the life of the club is at risk. Carol has accepted her mistakes and vowed to support the club still. We have to now accept what has happened, enjoy the summer off (the euros etc) and come back in August and do the same. What other option is there? And no, I’m not a happy clapper by any stretch of the imagination, put calling for an owner to leave who is actually financially propping up the club rather than taking it for all it’s worth, is not the solution in my mind.

Not well done Baylee brilliant goal, no let's just say a better side would have tackled him and cleared it. Stick to watching Tranmere you plank Well done Baylee brilliant son,.

I have not seen the phrase "world beater" at all earlier in this thread. I've seen "prospect", "keep up the good work" and "bright spark" though. I don't think anyone's thinking he's a "world beater" but rather that he's done well in difficult circumstances and has been rewarded with an U17 cap. He's still very much at the fledgling stage of his career and arguably the club should not have been risking ruining him by giving him so much first-team football early on, but I don't see anyone on here hyping him up, just a bunch of fans pleased to see a youngster doing well so far.

Spotted at the darts in Brighton😂

Responsible for everything that touches the pitch but accountable for none of it.

Flickers deserves a huge amount of credit for what hes done to make us an attractive option for some of the best young talent in the country. Long may it continue.

Agree. The booing of both him and Massey is shameful and pathetic.

Why would she want to take us to back to the away followings of Harrogate and Crawley instead of Derby and Portsmouth? Why would she want lower crowds and lower turnover? I read some <ovf censored> on here and that's right up there with the most stupid.

Since settled in the team our goals for have rapidly improved... he has given Wilson space to play and allows Chislett more space by purely occupying defenders. Would rather have him than not.

Football is football. it's not the end of the world. Vale will win, vale will lose. Vale will get promoted, and Vale will get relegated. Get on the bus and go for a ride. I love watching Vale, league one, league 2 don't really matter to me as long as the players try.

At least nobody can say Vale can’t buy a Wynne now.

I can't believe having like many of you here I've seen us lose 4-1 at home to Macc. Plenty of other humiliations. Was it 6-2 v Lincoln the other year. This feels worse. What makes this all the less unpalatable is that it was all so preventable. Many fans ( and we all think we're experts ) saw this coming in October and November. Another poster rightly put the Boro game was the final straw. A humongous night for the club to get a massive pay day in a 2 legged semi final , we didn't have an attempt on target. Simply astonishing. The club has buried it's head in the sand and I got suckered by the podcast DF did. He literally could sell sand to the Arabs. Burton away will be my only game this season. I've had it . Ruining my moods , my weekend and even my sleep ( drama queen alert ). I'll renew my 2 season tickets and be back in August but I'm drained by it all for this season. Two runs of firstly 11 and now 12 and still climbing, without a win has sucked the life out of me. What used to be my weekend treat, is now an absolute chore and sense that I have to be there. I'm not putting myself through it any more and will come with renewed optimism that we might win a few more games in League 2. Hopefully Flitcroft is sacked by then.

Liam Brazier young Vale talent on the radar of "Spanish Giants Barcelona", it might well be " pie in the sky", but the information has surfaced from somewhere. Whatever speculation there is surely to a certain degree is good news for the club in general. Can never remember a season like this for so much young talent coming off the Vale Academy production line and integrated into the first team squad. Also this season bringing in " Premier League Young Talents", Olly Arblaster and Alfie Devine who today made his Championship debut for Plymouth Argyle and had an assist in one of Plymouth's goals. Vale have know brought in Jensen Weir from Brighton, who was very productive last season at Morecambe. Now young centre back Rhys Williams from Liverpool and a possibility of another talented young starlet Dan Gore midfield player from Manchester United. I think it is amazing that a club such as PORT VALE can attract young talent that want to learn their footballing trade at Vale and fair play to Andy Crosby. He may well not be everyone's cup of tea. But full admiration to him for giving youth chance and introducing Premier League Starlets of the future to " The Wembley of The North at Vale Park". UTV

No it wouldn’t. That’s a really silly statement. Mitch Clark is made of glass. So you’re relying on him not breaking down. Debrah is a non league footballer. Iacovitti is always one accident away from us conceding. Wynne? You’ve never ever seen the bloke play!! A 30 year old from Canadas version of the mls fills me with zero hope. Ojo. Attitude problem. Unreliable attitude. A bad egg. Ikpeazu. Can’t score goals. Can’t play football! Apart from Wynne and Clark most of those have been mullered week in weeks out. Just because we are going down a level, don’t think these players will become promotion contenders because most of them are absolute dogcrap. Like Moore said, it’s a massive summer rebuild. If we go into the first game of next season with that side then expect a long hard season battling relegation.

Only those with a committed desire to give her a kicking would have an issue with this. As others have said - just do your best to get it right. She’s made a load of mistakes but made a load of good decisions before that. I still think we’re in an overall, long-term good position with Carol Shanahan. Fingers crossed this was a step back that she learns from.

I’m sorry but that’s just virtue signaling political waffle. And please don’t state that you’ve always put the football side of things first because it’s a blatant lie. Even on our relegation day she mentions the community. Just get the summer right. Get proper footballers on the pitch. Real men with fight passion and skill. And stop making empty promises.

Regardless of players, I just want us to scrap this wingback bullshìt formation. Play with proper wingers and attack and be positive, instead of this dull boring crap and not having a clue what to do when we hit the half way line because we have zero options going forward. Oh and sign players for those actual positions, instead of signing players and playing them out of position for the entire season. It's suicide.

It hasn’t been only a bad season. It’s been an atrocious 16 months. From Garlick being tossed aside, to Clarkes sacking, to Flitcroft become all things football, to Crosbys boring tippy tappy crap, to a cup run we got caught up in despite playing anyone of significance, to three shambolic transfer windows, to relying on loan players and kids, to giving Flitcroft another January window and yet again no striker in sight, to sacking Crosby who should have been gone months before, to then sacking Flitcroft who should have never taken over the football side in the first place, to the embarrassing pathetic open letter from Carol, to her even more embarrassing pathetic these players are phenomenal speech, to Flitcrofts relegation isn’t in my vocabulary arrogance , to god awful players, to Darren Moore who quite frankly I’ve no idea what his philosophy is, to no bogs in the paddock, to the cringeworthy “El Presidente”, to the arrogance of the entire hierarchy of our proud football club of 148 years. Shame on you all. Disgraceful season. Anyone who actually turns up next week needs to see a doctor. The fans don’t deserve League 2 football. The club and those associated on the payroll do. Pathetic Vale. Pathetic.

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies for that. If I put myself into Carols position right now, I would be really struggling emotionally and mentally. Carol had total trust in Dave Flitcroft and he has only been gone for a very short time. I would imagine there is some sort of grieving process she is going through. The video that was recorded of her in the Valiant Suite and then put online has effected her trust in how things are perceived. She will feel that everything she says will be used against her and that leaves her in a very isolated and difficult position when it comes to communication. It was very naïve of her to do what she did in front of paying fans, they are not trusted friends. However, publishing a video of somebody clearly distressed is a pretty awful thing to do and most of us would have been absolutely devastated by it. We feel like we do about the situation as fans, imagine having invested millions and ending up back at square one, how would you feel? Yes there is plenty that Carol herself has done wrong, not least trusting the former DoF, but even if it is her fault she is still a person who needs to come to terms with it all. I am prepared to give her next season. The Shanahan's have the very best interests of the club at heart, even if they are getting it wrong at the moment in various areas. Lets just remember that whilst its ok to criticise what's happened, its not ok to criticise Carol as a person. She probably needs more support right now than ever before.

The problem is that the manager at that time had accumulated 96 points with a quality outfit. We have a dog <ovf censored> squad. Full of kids or utter guff. None who are good enough, apart from the odd 2 or 3. We have just accumulated 2 points from our last 8 games and 12 points from our last 15. Dont have a go for mocking your post. They are using their head and have their eyes wide open. We can’t defend. We don’t make the opposition keeper make a save, never mind score! We’ve still got to go to Peterborough and Derby and you’re knocking the fans for disagreeing with you? Good lord. Youre living in cuckoo land on blind faith. The majority of us can see it for what it is. Don’t start crying for Flitcroft to go at the end of the season when we’re down. Blind faith. And “getting behind the lads” ain’t gonna wash and it certainly isn’t gonna save us. We are garbage and the owner has screwed it up with her blind faith in a DOF whose position has been untenable for almost a year.

Honestly can people just lay off loft doing my head in now . The lads giving his all just get behind him.

Weirdly quiet response to the podcast, which I personally found very illuminating. Really sad to hear how the abuse has affected DF and also his family. Nobody deserves that just from trying to do their job.

you say a kid but he has over 50 appearances in the championship with forest & got promoted with sheffield wednesday last season. He's got a lot more experience than the likes of josh thomas etc that we've brought in before. He's a great signing at this level ffs i like a moan but some are never happy

1) She bought the club at an inflated price to save it. 2) it's not your money to spend. 3) cash isn't the only way to succeed.