Cricket - the Ashes 2023

[leedsvaliant]

As I said before. They're a horrible nation who wouldn't know fairness and humility if it smacked them in the face. I hope we win the next 3 and shove them back off to their remote island in the middle of nowhere.

[billybone54]

Fair play to a couple of the old guys in the long room giving the Aussies some abuse rather than politely clapping them. Warner doing a great ‘hold me back ‘ effort. 

[Paul6754]

Hard to tell whether the ball was dead in the Bairstow stumping. The BBC website says, 

"The laws of the game state: "The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler's end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play."

Carey clearly did not think the ball was dead - he threw it as soon as he could. Bairstow did believe it to be dead, with the added variable being the end of the over".

Why did Bairstow believe the ball was dead. By all accounts the umpire at the bowlers end hadn't declared "Over", Carey hadn't thrown the ball to 1st slip or another Aussie and Bairstow hadn't enquired from Carey, which are the usual things that happen to declare the ball dead.

It probably "Isn't cricket" but it looks like this one is on Bairstow which is a shame as he was looking in good nick. 

[leedsvaliant]

Hard to tell whether the ball was dead in the Bairstow stumping. The BBC website says, 

"The laws of the game state: "The ball shall be considered to be dead when it is clear to the bowler's end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play."

Carey clearly did not think the ball was dead - he threw it as soon as he could. Bairstow did believe it to be dead, with the added variable being the end of the over".

Why did Bairstow believe the ball was dead. By all accounts the umpire at the bowlers end hadn't declared "Over", Carey hadn't thrown the ball to 1st slip or another Aussie and Bairstow hadn't enquired from Carey, which are the usual things that happen to declare the ball dead.

It probably "Isn't cricket" but it looks like this one is on Bairstow which is a shame as he was looking in good nick. 

It's definitely out..but it's a very underhand way to get someone out. Why didn't they try and win using the normal methods like being caught or bowled? It's this win at all costs mentality which doesn't sit well with me.

[The French Connection]

I understood the umpire was handing the cap to the bowler when it happened, which to my mind signifies the umpire was no longer watching the ball or regarding it as in play. 

Pretty cheap shot by the Aussies, desperate to win in any way they have to. Glad they were boo'd a lot and am sure it will continue at Headingley. 

[hamilboy]

All i can say in this matter is when i was a young lad in the mid sixties i played for Longton ccc against Norton ccc who were then the biggest rivals in north staffs cricket. I was standing at the bowlers end ready to back up for runs as the bowler was in his delivery stride he whipped the bails off and ran me out.Although it his right in the laws of cricket it is in the spirit of the game that he should have warned me but the umpire had to give me out. I never made that mistake again Bairstow is a senior pro cricketer played many years at Yorkshire ccc and many international matches for England he should known what to do he should have made sure the ball was dead whether it was in the spirit of the game is up for debate.Like Stokes said after the game he would not like to win that way but it happens in every sport these days it is just the sign of the times these days i'm afraid.

[The French Connection]

40 minutes ago, hamilboy said:

All i can say in this matter is when i was a young lad in the mid sixties i played for Longton ccc against Norton ccc who were then the biggest rivals in north staffs cricket. I was standing at the bowlers end ready to back up for runs as the bowler was in his delivery stride he whipped the bails off and ran me out.Although it his right in the laws of cricket it is in the spirit of the game that he should have warned me but the umpire had to give me out. I never made that mistake again Bairstow is a senior pro cricketer played many years at Yorkshire ccc and many international matches for England he should known what to do he should have made sure the ball was dead whether it was in the spirit of the game is up for debate.Like Stokes said after the game he would not like to win that way but it happens in every sport these days it is just the sign of the times these days i'm afraid.

There's a difference there.  You were gaining yardage at the bowler's end and deserved to be run out.  Bairstow had clearly left the ball, was batting in the crease and even took a moment to scratch a mark in the crease with his boot before moving forwards.  He was not seeking to gain anything.  As a wicketkeeper myself for over 20 years I know you regard the ball as dead and immediately flip the ball to slip.  Carey didn't, he held onto it a nano second, waiting for Bairstow to move up.  In my book, that's cheating, and I'm surprised the third umpire gave it. 

[leedsvaliant]

There's a difference there.  You were gaining yardage at the bowler's end and deserved to be run out.  Bairstow had clearly left the ball, was batting in the crease and even took a moment to scratch a mark in the crease with his boot before moving forwards.  He was not seeking to gain anything.  As a wicketkeeper myself for over 20 years I know you regard the ball as dead and immediately flip the ball to slip.  Carey didn't, he held onto it a nano second, waiting for Bairstow to move up.  In my book, that's cheating, and I'm surprised the third umpire gave it. 

I'm with you. He clearly wasn't taking a run, so not trying to gain any advantage. They claimed that Bairstow tried to do it in their innings but how could they possibly know if the England team would have followed through with it or whether it was just one of those jokey throws. It's perfectly within the laws of the game, but that victory is somewhat tainted because they took a cheap shot. They won't care though, it's the Australian way, they have zero class.

[hamilboy]

34 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

1 hour ago, The French Connection said:

There's a difference there.  You were gaining yardage at the bowler's end and deserved to be run out.  Bairstow had clearly left the ball, was batting in the crease and even took a moment to scratch a mark in the crease with his boot before moving forwards.  He was not seeking to gain anything.  As a wicketkeeper myself for over 20 years I know you regard the ball as dead and immediately flip the ball to slip.  Carey didn't, he held onto it a nano second, waiting for Bairstow to move up.  In my book, that's cheating, and I'm surprised the third umpire gave it. 

I'm with you. He clearly wasn't taking a run, so not trying to gain any advantage. They claimed that Bairstow tried to do it in their innings but how could they possibly know if the England team would have followed through with it or whether it was just one of those jokey throws. It's perfectly within the laws of the game, but that victory is somewhat tainted because they took a cheap shot. They won't care though, it's the Australian way, they have zero class.

Did you say the same thing when Atherton had something in his pocket in a test match the blame is at baistows feet all though for the good of the game Cummings should have called him back in my view.In my case the bowler should have warned me but it did learn me a lesson never to be forgotten

[Phil]

3 hours ago, The French Connection said:

I understood the umpire was handing the cap to the bowler when it happened, which to my mind signifies the umpire was no longer watching the ball or regarding it as in play. 

Pretty cheap shot by the Aussies, desperate to win in any way they have to. Glad they were boo'd a lot and am sure it will continue at Headingley. 

No he wasn't, watch the film back. 100% out, no problem at all, Bairstow was dozy! I've seen that happen in the county championship. Laughable that Stokes said he would have called him back! Everybody moaning would have been delighted if we had done it.

[Jacko51]

5 minutes ago, Phil said:

No he wasn't, watch the film back. 100% out, no problem at all, Bairstow was dozy! I've seen that happen in the county championship. Laughable that Stokes said he would have called him back! Everybody moaning would have been delighted if we had done it.

Disallowing Starc's catch was the correct decision within the laws so why did the Aussies kick up such a fuss about it and harass the umpire and why did Glenn McGrath have an absolute fit on TMS.  Double standards.

[aspin for england]

20 hours ago, DazFred said:

I'm glad the Aussies only visit us every now and again.

I'd be throwing the ball at the stumps every time they play and miss...and if a catch came my way,simply fall to the ground with the ball and claim a catch 

Awful sportsmen...bunch of cheats,but that's what I expect with Smith in the team

Still remember those fake tears from Smith ,  embarrassing.

[The French Connection]

15 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Disallowing Starc's catch was the correct decision within the laws so why did the Aussies kick up such a fuss about it and harass the umpire and why did Glenn McGrath have an absolute fit on TMS.  Double standards.

Yep, he labelled it 'a disgrace' 

[leedsvaliant]

Did you say the same thing when Atherton had something in his pocket in a test match the blame is at baistows feet all though for the good of the game Cummings should have called him back in my view.In my case the bowler should have warned me but it did learn me a lesson never to be forgotten

We're absolutely no angels, but it should be called out when it's a cheap shot. They didn't need to do it and probably would have won anyway. Why create the animosity?

What's annoying is that instead of holding their hands up and saying 'fair play, we'd rather win through quality cricket rather than cheap shots' they've instead said 'well you've done bad things before '. Like something in the school yard and basically deflection. They know that was cheap, but Australians in general have very little humility and class so I wouldn't expect anything else.

[Bycarsbill]

2 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Disallowing Starc's catch was the correct decision within the laws so why did the Aussies kick up such a fuss about it and harass the umpire and why did Glenn McGrath have an absolute fit on TMS.  Double standards.

Although both MaCullum & Stokes maintain that they would have done it differently, on the last day of a very close-fought Ashes Test, I'm not totally convinced.

If you watch that whole incident-related over, Jonny Bairstow walks out of his crease at least another two times before that 6th ball.  I played cricket from junior level to a decent high standard (Birmingham League) for many years and after I retired took my umpires badge.  In the laws of cricket it is always incumbent on the batsman to stay within his (or her) crease until the ball is clearly dead.  This is also drummed into my own club's junior coaching.

In the Times today, Mike Atherton's article describes Bairstow's actions as "dozy" and it's hard to argue with that!