Vales new manager

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

Yes he is. He would employ Stourbridge manager. May be Nuneaton's manager could come to the fore in the betting soon.

 

Gorman would stoop that low to get Vale out of the league. He is trying everything else.

 

Why do you think that’s his aim? I don’t see what he’d have to gain from that being his end goal?

[Alkie]

Seems to be an abundance of flawed logic on here as usual.

Just because someone is a bad driver doesn’t necessarily Mean that they are trying to commit suicide.

[elav trop 1876]

Why do you think that’s his aim? I don’t see what he’d have to gain from that being his end goal?

 

What is his aim,

 

to continually not invest

to continually make the same mistakes (if that's what they are)but also on a bigger scale than before

to continually exonerate himself of any blame whilst the team drops like a stone

to continually give the fans nothing to cheer about

to continually rubbish any potential owners

to continually make extra money to budget but the team doesn't see it

to continually do nothing for the fans

to continually mess up marketing and advertising a real income stream, just look at the ground.

to continually show severe lack of leadership

 

decline, decline, decline - he is either continually very naïve and incompetent which even for him is hard to achieve(but believable) or its all part of his plan.

 

on our current status and ongoing trend and evidence what would say is his long term aim.

[TJHValiant]

That last time we paid the going rate for a manager was Micky Adams - who in his second spell was on c£130k. As we all know he took a club in administration with a bunch of late in the day free transfer signings and got us promoted.

You get what you pay for - we pay next to nothing so we get next to nothing.

 

That’s a fact. You’re right. Adams was known to be on £125,000 on his highest, best contract.

 

We also had Rob Page as an assistant.

[valefan16]

That’s a fact. You’re right. Adams was known to be on £125,000 on his highest, best contract.

 

We also had Rob Page as an assistant.

 

£2k a week for a top end league two/league one manager is fair enough and we should be offering a minumum of £1k per week at this level surely?

 

Nolan might take it as a millionaire I dare say he doesn’t need the money short term so can rebuild with longer term aims career wise. Kewell likely in a similar position but can understand why someone like Askey wouldn’t take 30k per year as he hasn’t got that financial cushion I doubt.

 

A good manager could easily be worth more than 50k a year if we progress well!

[PV1973]

Personally anything below a grand week as a manager is an insult IMO. Unless of course it’s some totally inexperienced non league manager we take from obscurity.

 

Throw in some bonuses for promotion on top of that too.

 

I don’t believe Norman is trying to take us down at all. I think he’s tight as fk and wants to stumble by with the least possible investment to keep us in the league, whilst making him a bit of cash before eventually selling it.

[philpvfc]

Why do you think that’s his aim? I don’t see what he’d have to gain from that being his end goal?

 

Correct but he is as bad a chairman as you could get, tight fisted and as long as he is making money couldn’t care less about Port Vale or it’s supporters.

[philpvfc]

£2k a week for a top end league two/league one manager is fair enough and we should be offering a minumum of £1k per week at this level surely?

 

Nolan might take it as a millionaire I dare say he doesn’t need the money short term so can rebuild with longer term aims career wise. Kewell likely in a similar position but can understand why someone like Askey wouldn’t take 30k per year as he hasn’t got that financial cushion I doubt.

 

A good manager could easily be worth more than 50k a year if we progress well!

 

If they are a millionaire why would they work for 50k a week?you would earn more than that in interest. 50k is not enough for a half decent manager at this level.

[man in the pub]

Or is that Gorman saying to them I have approached them and they said no, when he actually has not. Gorman needs to prove to the fans he has, as Gorman has done this sort of thing before and been caught out. Made promises and said things and they have been proved wrong.

 

That's the problem when you have history of the truth and you being strangers.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

What is his aim,

 

to continually not invest

to continually make the same mistakes (if that's what they are)but also on a bigger scale than before

to continually exonerate himself of any blame whilst the team drops like a stone

to continually give the fans nothing to cheer about

to continually rubbish any potential owners

to continually make extra money to budget but the team doesn't see it

to continually do nothing for the fans

to continually mess up marketing and advertising a real income stream, just look at the ground.

to continually show severe lack of leadership

 

decline, decline, decline - he is either continually very naïve and incompetent which even for him is hard to achieve(but believable) or its all part of his plan.

 

on our current status and ongoing trend and evidence what would say is his long term aim.

 

But where is the benefit to him?

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

If they are a millionaire why would they work for 50k a week?you would earn more than that in interest. 50k is not enough for a half decent manager at this level.

 

The bug of football management.

 

Being involved with a crap squad of players who will continually let you down and underperform so you will lose your job eventually?

[mbycars]

Come to think of it, he was maybe having a secret meeting when he got hit by the taxi.

 

Heading for a secret liason more like.

[valefan16]

If they are a millionaire why would they work for 50k a week?you would earn more than that in interest. 50k is not enough for a half decent manager at this level.

 

To get on the ladder and a move up. Why would Micky Adams come here when he was probably on multiple times what he was here previously? Nolan needs to get back in work and hasn’t found any yet, Kewell needs to get a job before he is forgotten about.

 

Take Nolan as an example...

 

Take the cheap job on offer at Vale... let’s say it is 30k a year but he backs himself to turn us around does well over a couple or years at Vale... gets a big job offer and big wage at a much bigger club.

 

That said looking at Askeys interview with the sentinel he seems to really want the job so that may still happen.

[fraggle]

What is his aim,

 

to continually not invest

to continually make the same mistakes (if that's what they are)but also on a bigger scale than before

to continually exonerate himself of any blame whilst the team drops like a stone

to continually give the fans nothing to cheer about

to continually rubbish any potential owners

to continually make extra money to budget but the team doesn't see it

to continually do nothing for the fans

to continually mess up marketing and advertising a real income stream, just look at the ground.

to continually show severe lack of leadership

 

decline, decline, decline - he is either continually very naïve and incompetent which even for him is hard to achieve(but believable) or its all part of his plan.

 

on our current status and ongoing trend and evidence what would say is his long term aim.

 

To be fair - IF he invested in a great manager and back him in the transfer market big time, which then showed through to the pitch.... it would go ALONG WAY to redeeming himself.

 

Like you say, too many months of decline are a significant contributor to the way we all feel about him as the owner, just look at the Swansea chairmen, just left his post because the owners will not invest, just taking money out of the club.

 

Maybe we collectively should also be targeting Garlick and his role (as well as Smurf), because since he has come in the team have gone into Uber decline.

 

They both need to show a big statement of intent with the new manager, this will either show they have ambition and what Vale to push on OR it will show the decline is what they want.

 

Appointing Askey would show a lack of ambition for me, they need to show their hand big time. The managers appointment will be the ticket.... do or die, the clock is ticking on both of them.

[fraggle]

Just a thought on a new manager, how much of a disaster would it be to give the job to Pugh until the end of the season?

 

A new manager needs to come in asses the squad, see if they can play his way and if the players don’t fit get shot of them and start the planning for the close season.... giving Pugh the job till the end of the season, the. Appointing a permanent manager would for me, be asking for another (at least) half a season of uncertainty while he builds his squad and his way.

 

The board need to act promptly to get the wheels well oiled to save us this season and start the execution of a few for next season.