Brexit again...

[Regal Beagle]

15 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Sorry mate, you've missed the point.  He is talking about his belief being based on no evidence - just like those whose belief about the economic benefits of Brexit being based on no evidence. 

Exactly the same as the evidence that we will be economically worse off after brexit then?

 

13 hours ago, geosname said:

Aren't all future events based on belief?

Yes.

And as I've pointed out many times in this thread (but it gets ignored everytime) we were lied to about the economy before the referendum and we still voted out. People did not vote  for brexit on economic grounds however much remainers want to make it about the economy.

And coming back full circle, I believe the only reason they want to make it about the economy is that it is based purely on predictions and therefore it's the only battle ground where they cannot be proven wrong yet. They've already lost on the democracy and sovereignty fronts because it's there in black and white for all to see.

 

[Jacko51]

13 hours ago, geosname said:

Aren't all future events based on belief?

No, some are based on certainty.  Would you put your house on Vale Reserves beating the Barcelona first team?

[geosname]

9 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

No, some are based on certainty.  Would you put your house on Vale Reserves beating the Barcelona first team?

Would you give me your house if they won?

[Jacko51]

6 minutes ago, geosname said:

Would you give me your house if they won?

Black.

[geosname]

1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Black.

Any future event is undetermined until it happens....... green

[Jacko51]

2 hours ago, geosname said:

Any future event is undetermined until it happens....... green

So you're now arguing black is green?  I have to agree with Mr H above!!

[geosname]

7 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

So you're now arguing black is green?  I have to agree with Mr H above!!

I'm simply stating a truth..... you disagree with

[geosname]

9 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

So you're now arguing black is green?  I have to agree with Mr H above!!

I thought it was a colour association thing.... I could argue that black isn't strictly a colour as it's a total absorption of the primaries where as white is a deflection/rejection.

All future events are undetermined until they happen is a true statement.... if you wish to argue with the truth..... go ahead.

Predictions and forecasts based on a future event are relient on faith or belief they will happen.... unless something changes to make the prediction unreliable... to state that any future event WILL happen is unreliable and fundamentally false.

Even the simple statement..... the sun will rise tomorrow.... is reliant on faith or belief that nothing changes.... yes I know the sun doesn't rise.

Does agreeing with someone who is wrong make it right?

[mr.hobblesworth]

16 hours ago, geosname said:

I thought it was a colour association thing.... I could argue that black isn't strictly a colour as it's a total absorption of the primaries where as white is a deflection/rejection.

 

You're exhausting.

[Heatwave]

17 hours ago, geosname said:

I thought it was a colour association thing.... I could argue that black isn't strictly a colour as it's a total absorption of the primaries where as white is a deflection/rejection.

When my sister was at art school she said that black and white were 'spheres' rather than colours, but I digress.

Faith cannot be blind. It must be based on a standpoint arrived at with reference to personal experience, even if those experiences are spiritual rather than physical. For example, I am a Christian based on my analysis of what I understand to be the message of Jesus Christ and the correlation between it and my own life experiences. For it to be otherwise would not be faith at all - just pious hope.

[TheSage]

And in the meantime, after Trump has refused to come to our aid in the Gulf, Hunt has asked the EU for help!!

Wasn't it obvious even to the likes of intellectually challenged Hunt that once we've seized an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar there was just the chance that Iran might retaliate. But we've run down the navy and now we're in the ****.

And then we wonder why we had no Brexit plan and it's been a complete costly shambles for the last three years. With unprepared nutcases running the asylum it's no wonder.

Go it alone and see how far you get.

[geosname]

3 hours ago, TheSage said:

And in the meantime, after Trump has refused to come to our aid in the Gulf, Hunt has asked the EU for help!!

Wasn't it obvious even to the likes of intellectually challenged Hunt that once we've seized an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar there was just the chance that Iran might retaliate. But we've run down the navy and now we're in the ****.

And then we wonder why we had no Brexit plan and it's been a complete costly shambles for the last three years. With unprepared nutcases running the asylum it's no wonder.

Go it alone and see how far you get.

Government planning and inaction at it's finest Sage.

[geosname]

5 hours ago, mr.hobblesworth said:

You're exhausting.

I've been called worse.... but am I wrong?

[Paul6754]

On 21/07/2019 at 07:23, Regal Beagle said:

Exactly the same as the evidence that we will be economically worse off after brexit then?

 

Yes.

And as I've pointed out many times in this thread (but it gets ignored everytime) we were lied to about the economy before the referendum and we still voted out. People did not vote  for brexit on economic grounds however much remainers want to make it about the economy.

And coming back full circle, I believe the only reason they want to make it about the economy is that it is based purely on predictions and therefore it's the only battle ground where they cannot be proven wrong yet. They've already lost on the democracy and sovereignty fronts because it's there in black and white for all to see.

 

Economics trumps Politics every time and to put the UK economy in jeopardy by voting leave is simply foolish. The loss of the value of the pound against the dollar is not normally a sign of a healthy economy with a healthy future and the current low value of the pound vs dollar is due to Brexit, on the day of the referendum the pound was in effect devalued.

The UK always has always had control over it's sovereignty but chooses not to excersize it like the Poles, Hungarians etc. Sovereinty doesn't pay for schools, hospitals and the welfare state.

[geosname]

1 hour ago, Paul6754 said:

Economics trumps Politics every time and to put the UK economy in jeopardy by voting leave is simply foolish. The loss of the value of the pound against the dollar is not normally a sign of a healthy economy with a healthy future and the current low value of the pound vs dollar is due to Brexit, on the day of the referendum the pound was in effect devalued.

The UK always has always had control over it's sovereignty but chooses not to excersize it like the Poles, Hungarians etc. Sovereinty doesn't pay for schools, hospitals and the welfare state.

When the results were declared the £ took a nose dive, mainly I think because the result shook confidence.

Since then, in my opinion, the decline is due to the inaction and inability of politicians to do anything constructive.

Brexit will be damaging, anyone with an iota of sense would agree. How damaging and for how long is anyone's guess/prediction/forecast..... I don't think it will be as devastating as some claim in the short term nor do I think we will float through it as others think..... long term I think it could be, possibly, beneficial if..... and it's a whopper..... politicians can do something instead of arguing about what they can't do.... I have very little faith in that happening.

In my opinion it was a bad decision to leave..... my greatest concern is the damage done and probable future damage to the trust and belief in the political system. Whichever way we go, in or out, half the people who voted will be dissafected and become vulnerable to the power grabbers, out to make a name and reputation on the back of the people.

We have had over three years of 600+ elected members sitting with their thumb up their ass picking their noses.... jaw jaw may be better than war war but an ounce of action is better than 3 years of lip flapping crap.

This mess was not created by the people who voted..... no matter which way they voted.

This issue doesn't question the competence of government it questions the incompetence of parliament.