Brexit again...

[For Us All]

As soon as we actually leave the eu, they will all be out of a job.

 

Job done then.😃

[TheSage]

Yanis Varoufakis posited a fairly sensible outcome, in my view, and despite his left-wing ways he has correctly diagnosed the ills of both the Eurozone and austerity fairly succintly.

 

His view is, that we leave the EU with a permanent customs union in place. The economy is spared any hit and we can then discern how much sovereignty we have retained, whether we do have freedom to negotiate our own trade deals, more time to deal with Ireland, evaluation of the ECJ etc etc

 

In the next 2-3 years, a public forum is established, which ensures representation of views from all four UK nations and all walks of life, including your de-industrialised northern cities. These events are held semi-regularly in a variety of locations, often themed. As time passes, people can begin to judge whether they like Brexit with a customs union, whether they want to extend Brexit to a hard Brexit, or whether they want to seek to start the process to re-apply to join the EU.

 

Throughout the course of these debates/fora, a general consensus is built up as to what people's main feelings are. If the public is satisfied with Brexit via a customs union, we carry on. If the public don't like it and want to re-apply for EU membership, a second referendum can be held upon that. If, conversely, the public wishes to seek a harder Brexit, withdrawing from the Customs Union, then a referendum can occur on that.

 

As a consequence, a form of soft Brexit occurs, and time and space is given to the people to decide if they like it or not. Should it be OK, we carry on. If, given time, evidence, and experience, things want to change one way or another, a referendum can be set at the end of a 3 year transition period, to ensure we get what we want.

 

In my view, that's the only way forward. The Government isn't going to preside over a Brexit that hurts the economy; instead, have a soft Brexit, hold a forum to engage the masses in what is now a largely anti-establishment population, and then re-assess at the end of a defined transition period.

 

At the present, half of the country is going to be annoyed if we continue down this path of 'hard Brexit or no Brexit'. Theresa May was woefully incompetent but her departing adage that 'compromise is not a dirty word' is especially prescient at this time.

 

To sum up; soft Brexit with a Customs Union, on 31st October 2019. 3 year transition period set up, concluding on 31st October 2022, that will allow the country time to re-focus on domestic issues and see how a soft Brexit impacts them, and whether they wish to go further on the Hard Brexit route, stick with what they've got, or go back to the EU. Forums are held, with an independent body of fact-checkers, in which people can voice their opinions and have complex questions broken down and answered in a digestible way, away from rhetoric, slogan, and hopefully emotion and division. Brexit occurs in the most non-damaging way, and time is given to establish our future relationship.

 

Brought it back to the forefront of the debate because it's probably the most sensible post on here in the entire thread.

 

Those of us old enough to remember Harold Wilson (the great Harold Wilson. That'll wind up a few folk!) will recall that after we joined in 73 under Heath (he was rubbish by the way, but was at least a decent and well intentioned man) Wilson held a confirmatory vote in 75. What Joe has alluded to makes reasonable sense and might be a possible way through the fog.

 

Not sure if Mike Yarwood did a better impression of Heath or Wilson. Wilson I think. One for the older posters on here to judge!

[Howjy04]

Alastair Campbell isn't sure,he voted for the Lib Dems.

 

Dianne Abbot has made it extremely clear as has Len McCluskey.They’ve just got to convince the Jezzter now.

[Howjy04]

Brought it back to the forefront of the debate because it's probably the most sensible post on here in the entire thread.

 

Those of us old enough to remember Harold Wilson (the great Harold Wilson. That'll wind up a few folk!) will recall that after we joined in 73 under Heath (he was rubbish by the way, but was at least a decent and well intentioned man) Wilson held a confirmatory vote in 75. What Joe has alluded to makes reasonable sense and might be a possible way through the fog.

 

Not sure if Mike Yarwood did a better impression of Heath or Wilson. Wilson I think. One for the older posters on here to judge!

 

Definitely Wilson.

[Heatwave]

Not sure if Mike Yarwood did a better impression of Heath or Wilson. Wilson I think. One for the older posters on here to judge!

 

He was in the Thatcher documentary on the BBC last night, with him as Michael Parkinson and Janet Brown as Thatcher. Her being elected finished his career.

[philpvfc]

Does anybody know if Labour are for Remain or Leave?

Answers on a postcard please.

 

I couldn’t make my mind up so I voted Labour because they can’t make their mind up.

[TheSage]

It's a convenient smokescreen to criticise the opposition who are not in power and took no part in negotiations because it diverts attention from the shambles of the Tory Party.

This is 99% the fault of the Tories. Cameron for starting the ball rolling, May for calling an election she did not need, and the ERG for not voting for a deal that would have seen us out by now.

[For Us All]

Oh dear,they've expelled Alistair.🤣

[geosname]

Oh dear,they've expelled Alistair.🤣

 

Who has said Blair didn't expel jezza when he voted against Labour previously..... oh dear what can the matter be

[mr.hobblesworth]

He didn't vote against Labour at an election (or if he did, he didn't announce the fact) so there's no comparison.

 

Labour Party rules specifically state that:

 

 

New Labour expelled 20 members when Blair (and Campbell) was in charge.

 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/labour-expels-members-over-peter-2912654.amp

[geosname]

He didn't vote against Labour at an election (or if he did, he didn't announce the fact) so there's no comparison.

 

Labour Party rules specifically state that:

 

 

New Labour expelled 20 members when Blair (and Campbell) was in charge.

 

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/labour-expels-members-over-peter-2912654.amp

 

They can expell them all for me mate...... red and blue.

[Heatwave]

It shows just what a bad way both Labour and the Tories are in now both Campbell and Heseltine have been expelled. Widdecombe too when she decided to stand for the Brexit party and I don't think it's going to stop there.

[For Us All]

The best news it that Tommy Robinson got milkshaked to end up finishing 8th out of 8th and lose his deposit.

 

(Please don't bleat about him being banned for social media and it'll be acid inside polystyrene Burger King cups if we're not careful. Its a bit of a joke, which I'm told the right are very good at taking and the left are not)

 

Today,Labour became only the second political party after the far-right BNP to be officially investigated over racism.

[TheSage]

And I'm guessing that the Tories are next in line over Islamophobia, although they've been trying to sweep it all under the Axminster.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Yep, helped by their friends in the media. It's got a fraction of the coverage of the Labour anti-semitism issue. Funny that. Also funny how all the people on here who are suddenly so concerned and appalled about anti-semitism seemingly don't give a damn about the institutional Islamophobia in their own party.