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Davebrad

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UK and EU politicians and political parties don't give a toss for 'the will of the people' Ginge. Goodness knows where this will all end for the good folk of the UK, but one thing is for sure nearly all politicians will lead the 'life of Riley' post Westminster.

 

Countdown for Jezza,who is sick of Riley.

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I doubt that even the Archangel Gabriel could negotiate a deal that would satisfy everyone! From the moment the result was announced at such an evenly balanced margin (and it would have been the same if the 52/48% had been the other way around) it was obvious that the achievement of a satisfactory deal that had the chance of a majority

surport was next to nothing.......and so it has proven to be the case. Where we go from here is anyone's guess, but one thing is for sure.......whatever the outcome....very sadly, the country is still going to be deeply divided and worse off than if we hadn't started the process in the first place!

 

Can't wait for the next referendum or general election then,it'll be like Groundhog Day.

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I doubt that even the Archangel Gabriel could negotiate a deal that would satisfy everyone! From the moment the result was announced at such an evenly balanced margin (and it would have been the same if the 52/48% had been the other way around) it was obvious that the achievement of a satisfactory deal that had the chance of a majority

surport was next to nothing.......and so it has proven to be the case. Where we go from here is anyone's guess, but one thing is for sure.......whatever the outcome....very sadly, the country is still going to be deeply divided and worse off than if we hadn't started the process in the first place!

 

It's not so much a deal to satisfy everyone..... just a deal that doesn't dissatisfy everyone... one that will calm the fears of remainers and leave the EU in an acceptable way.

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How about having 4 independece referendums .... England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales.... on the understanding that if any of the 4 win they are on their own.... make their own laws, raise and spend their own finances, print their own money, make their own deals etc etc... all with the possibility of hard boarders and immigration control, taxes and tariffs on imports set by the receiving country and no financial handouts/subsidies /payments/assistance etcetera.

Then have a referendum about leaving the EU... each of the 4 being free to choose.

Don't think Ireland are unhappy with the EU, whether NI want to join the Irish Republic is likely to be tested in the future. Maybe a Celtic Empire, Offa and Hadrian were well ahead of Trump in building walls.

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Its at that point democracy fell... thats the great divide in a nutshell mate... it doesnt apply to us because we didnt vote for it.

 

So legitimately after the next election all the people who didn't vote for the winning party could refuse to comply with any laws or statutes it enacts because they didn't vote for them.

 

It's similar to Labour's claims after the last election..... we won even though we lost.

 

It's bad enough the dimwits in parliament can't accept the result... not the agreement that's a different issue.... the result that the majority of people wanted to leave the EU.

 

We now enter the bullcrap phase of parliament... more vindictive votes that are not binding.... thrashing about in the Tory party to find a new leader.... jezza still banging on about a general election which the Tories won't give him until they are ready.... all the fart parties scrabbling around looking for electoral platitudes... a new party of big party failures worrying about their jobs and who to align with if they manage to keep them.... and to top the cake with effluvium... the European elections... I wonder how many hard line brexiteers will get elected.... only to be told it doesn't matter what you say or do because we didn't vote for you.

 

How about we have two governments...... one for the winning party and one for the losers.

 

I can't remember which mp it was yesterday but he said that democracy only works with the consent of the losers. We haven't had that consent from the day of the result.

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I can't remember which mp it was yesterday but he said that democracy only works with the consent of the losers. We haven't had that consent from the day of the result.

 

Representative democracy relies on its representatives deciding that a topic is worthy of a majority in Parliament. As yet that has not happened, perhaps you should ask the likes of the local MP Cash why he does not vote in favour, don`t worry about the so called losers ask a winner, I would think he is a member of the 1% class.

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I can't remember which mp it was yesterday but he said that democracy only works with the consent of the losers. We haven't had that consent from the day of the result.

 

May hadn’t had the consent of a fair number of the winners either.

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It's not so much a deal to satisfy everyone..... just a deal that doesn't dissatisfy everyone... one that will calm the fears of remainers and leave the EU in an acceptable way.

 

But who is going to come up with this 'magic bullit'? Unless there's a long extension to article 50, no other deal can be possibly negotiated as we're now due to leave on April 12th! The longer any extension IMO will lead to the distinct possibility of no Brexit at all!

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