4 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I still think Paton has something and plays well with Cole. To be fair on all of our strikers we play to none of their strengths. It would be interesting to see how they’d do under a more tactically knowledgable manager. 

Sorry I diagree not good enough. I genuinely hope I'm wrong 

18 minutes ago, Old School said:

Not only will Moore be in charge for the Lincoln game, I can reveal exclusively his post match interview.

"Yeah no, errm".

You heard it here first.

You missed out the quote We Will Learn from this 

Which is Classic Darren or should he be renamed Jackanory

 

Edited November 22, 2025Nov 22 by Nippy Naylor

So someone decides the lure of £1.2 million was too good to turn down, the only difference today between two poor sides was Laurent Tolaj. He would have been the asset to keep Vale in the division this season and then build from there on, without any doubt Vale's position would be a better one if he'd stayed, the present forward line up couldn't hit a barn door with a brick. Why not give Ben Waine a go, can't do any worse than those currently being picked?

Whoever made that decision to sell, has to live with it like the rest of us.

1 minute ago, Row H said:

So someone decides the lure of £1.2 million was too good to turn down, the only difference today between two poor sides was Laurent Tolaj. He would have been the asset to keep Vale in the division this season and then build from there on, without any doubt Vale's position would be a better one if he'd stayed, the present forward line up couldn't hit a barn door with a brick. Why not give Ben Waine a go, can't do any worse than those currently being picked?

Whoever made that decision to sell, has to live with it like the rest of us.

If you have seen Waine play, that’s why he’s not getting a go. 

1 hour ago, WV said:

We are lucky to have her. Those that demand her removal are quick to forget the last 25 years or so. 

😂👍

11 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I still think Paton has something and plays well with Cole. To be fair on all of our strikers we play to none of their strengths. It would be interesting to see how they’d do under a more tactically knowledgable manager. 

Paton being <ovf censored> is not the managers fault.

He’s just not good enough. 

He needed a chance to play and didn’t grasp it.

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Just now, valiant_593 said:

If you have seen Waine play, that’s why he’s not getting a go. 

I have seen him play, he's not the best, but runs his heart out towards the goal, which can't be said about many of the other forwards.

47 minutes ago, leedsvaliant said:

There's a number of reasons that we find ourselves where we are:

1) Carol and the board were wooed by the big name Moore. I believe Carol is from the West Brom area, so will have been fully aware of him and his work at West Brom. There was no interview process or assessment of his suitability. The general consensus was we were 'lucky' to have him. A quick look at his previous clubs and there's very few, other than a well backed Sheffield Wednesday, who are complementary about him. In fact most of his previous clubs say that they are still recovering from the damage he inflicted.

2) I have always had the impression that Moore feels that this job is a bit beneath him. I guess after managing a huge club in Sheffield Wednesday, this is a bit of a comedown but he's never seemed fully emotionally invested. When he first joined and had a mate come and watch us instead of himself, alarm bells rang.

3) Further alarm bells rang when we gave the entire football responsibilities to Moore. Who is checking his signings? His performance? His tactics and ideas? His training methods? Carol isn't putting her wellies on and checking, so who's he answerable to from a footballing perspective?

4) I like the CEO. He seems a bright lad. But previous to that he was head of community at Burton. Where's his experience and acumen to take on such a role? It's a key role and needs experience and knowhow, particularly when things are going wrong. He's what, late 30s/early 40s in age? Just doesn't have the gravitas for that role yet. It's perhaps why our preferred signings haven't always got over the line and we've had to 'make do' . You've got to be a tough negotiator in that job.

4) I don't want to sound rude and it's a point I don't really want to have to make but I said before we got Moore that he didn't strike me as the most erudite or intelligent of people. I'm not expecting him to be mastermind but he often uses the wrong vocabulary in interviews and doesn't strike me as one of football's great thinkers. Do you have to be super intelligent to be a good manager? No. But look at how the most successful managers across all leagues articulate themselves. They're able to get their point across clearly and have the intelligence to understand and try new things if not working.

5) We've made the same mistakes as before. We've signed way too much quantity over quality. We have 7 strikers, why? Have 4 on the books, two of high quality and then reasonable back ups. We've got 8 million wingbacks. Yes, I know most of them are injured but we should have had a back up formation that doesn't rely on wingbacks so that we didn't need to stockpile them.

6) Much as I hate to criticise Carol, she is ultimately answerable to us as fans...we still invest into the club but obviously not on her scale. But she's not immune from criticism. She's a nice lady but once again her niceness is her downfall. She's become mates with yet another manager and it becomes difficult to sack from this point. I have nothing against positive working relationships but maintain that professional distance. I've worked for bosses who I got on with but I always knew that they were the boss and I was their employee. Again, she told a story of going to the theatre and having a meal with Darren and his family after the Wimbledon game. It's just too familiar. She had the nice walks with both Clarke and Crosby and was chummy with Askey before that. You don't have to be a heartless tyrant but just set the boundaries early on.

It's all culminated in weak decision making with poor checks and a complete lack of football expertise throughout the club. That's why we are in this position today.


 

I agree with everything here.

Further to point 2.. The language he used in his initial interview after joining the club rang alarm bells for me and, as you say, it felt like the club wasn’t big enough for him. He’s probably a nice bloke but I’ve never been able to take to him.

I Think The players would probably pay more attention to a cardboard cut out of Rudgie on the sidelines instead of Darren at least Rudgey's cardboard cut out would be more animated than Darren ever is , just saying 

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2 minutes ago, davehartshill said:

I agree with everything here.

Further to point 2.. The language he used in his initial interview after joining the club rang alarm bells for me and, as you say, it felt like the club wasn’t big enough for him. He’s probably a nice bloke but I’ve never been able to take to him.

No offence mate Dunner matter if he's the nicest guy in the world 🌍 

He couldn't manage his way out of a paper bloody bag 

5 hours ago, southport vale said:

Well let's face it normal Vale are at work. Have preseason and then sell the player that makes us tick and we can't replace.
1.2 million was it !!!!. What is the cost of such action 3 points, no threat relying on a player we sent out on loan last year. Then possibly first div status reduced fan base I m sure that will amount to much more than 1.2 million.
We have signed some dross this year. Cutting edge ?? I wish we have some. Ah well just another year supporting the Vale.

Former player has made us into a laughing stock and taken the piss. I adored him last year but he shows he has no class.

Jesus Christ. Read up on it man. HE chose to leave. There was nothing we could do to stop him. 

10 minutes ago, MBE said:

Paton being <ovf censored> is not the managers fault.

He’s just not good enough. 

He needed a chance to play and didn’t grasp it.

He isn't alone there though is he

Football by numbers bores me, crap football by numbers saddens me. I dread going now, it's the same old tripe week after week. I can't say I've enjoyed more than 2-3 games at home since this joker took over. Yes it wasn't great with many of our recent managers (Clarke excepted during the promotion season) but at least there used to some semblance of a fightback occasionally. I have gone past being angry and looking around today so had most folk, just resigned sad faces. We need a change and it's got to happen now otherwise people will stop going

15 minutes ago, Row H said:

So someone decides the lure of £1.2 million was too good to turn down, the only difference today between two poor sides was Laurent Tolaj. He would have been the asset to keep Vale in the division this season and then build from there on, without any doubt Vale's position would be a better one if he'd stayed, the present forward line up couldn't hit a barn door with a brick. Why not give Ben Waine a go, can't do any worse than those currently being picked?

Whoever made that decision to sell, has to live with it like the rest of us.

There was no decision to sell. 
he had a release clause. They met it. And he couldn’t wait for the chance to jump ship. 
 

we can criticise the club for a hell of a lot, but not Tolaj leaving. It was out of our hands. 

21 minutes ago, Nippy Naylor said:

You missed out the quote We Will Learn from this 

Which is Classic Darren or should he be renamed Jackanory

 

Or crapamoory.