That’s me firmly in the Moore out camp.

Week after week it’s the same story of we don’t take our chances and then concede. 

Makes it worse that their keeper makes two good saves, and Gauci lets one straight through him for the first (I appreciate his view was likely blocked but he should save it).

The team selection was mental. Garrity playing right wing whilst you’ve got Hall and Curtis, two actual wingers, sat on the bench.

The subs were awful. We were pumping long balls up to Cole on his own. With the way we were playing we probably should’ve brought Stockley on. Instead he brings Paton and as predicted, nothing changed. And Garrity somehow stayed on over Byers and Walters, even though he was the worst performing of the 3.

Ive said time after time I never want to see 3-4-3 again. It’s dreadful. Cole was too isolated. We were getting the ball out wide and no one was in the box. No wonder we don’t score.

A number of players simply aren’t good enough based off current form.

I said before the start of the season, if Debrah is one of our starting centre halves, we will be relegated. Not many agreed. I’m not quite sure why we thought a player who was deemed not good enough at times in league 2, when Moore bombed him out the squad, is suddenly good enough to start in league 1.

Yes, he’s been good at times this season. But we can’t have a defender who is either very good, or total <ovf censored>. You can’t have a player that’s so inconsistent. I’d much rather have a centre half who’s 6/10 every week than one who’s an 8 one week and a 2 the next. He seems a lovely bloke, but unfortunately, he has a 50p head and the positional sense of a gnat. The gaping holes left in the centre today were unbelievable. We need to sign a centre half ASAP.

What’s happened to Garrity is a mystery. Maybe his injuries have finished him? The man seems washed. He’s crap based off current performances. And I’m getting pretty sick of his moping about. Starting to actually dislike him a bit which I never in a million years thought I’d say about him.

We may be buggered even with a change of manager, as what concerned me today was the gutless, cowardly way we collapsed after conceding the first. And it also feels like a disconnect is growing again between the fans and players.

One thing I am convinced of though, is that Moore cannot, and will not, turn this around. Let’s not do what we did last time with Crosby and wait too long to pull the trigger.

1 hour ago, ValiantHan said:

Yep, it's so obvious that the players are not playing for Moore now as they have completely downed tools.

Saw a thing on Faceache. Apparently OJo had posted on SM that he was OK and doing Lift ups on a door. 
Moore should have got rid of him and he needs sacking for it. 
it shows there is obvs some discontent but to me however talented OJo he needs binning off

10 minutes ago, West London vale fan said:

Just out of interest, would everyone agree we have a better squad now than when we were last relegated from league 1? Then what's the common denominator?

There is no common denominator, unfair to infer DM as he was only here part of that relegation season and inherited a poor squad after the Jan transfer window was shut.

1 hour ago, Alan Vit said:

QV,

I agree with the great majority of your posts, but think you're off the mark there.

Vale's first 30 minutes today was a sparkling performance for the manager.

And then we were outplayed by a side which costs nearly twice our budget, and which hence has Championship-standard players.

It's our performances against the EFL1 bottom-half teams which will define this season.

Sparkling?!?! Dream on fella...

12 minutes ago, soothsayer said:

Just got back, I can’t understand for the life of me why Moore doesn’t play two strikers! Cole gets no support when he’s up there on his own. Our wide men are not close enough to him to assist and none of our midfielders get up there with him. He brings Paton on and plays him wide 🙄. Wins at Barnsley, Exeter and home to Mansfield were achieved with two up top, it really isn’t rocket science. If he doesn’t play two up from these start in our next two home games, he’s going to have to go.

Playing the same formation and expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity.

I honestly don't get it as Ruari and Devante looked very good when partnered up front together and then Moore decides to change it by dropping Ruari and since then our form has dropped off, we have stopped scoring and our attacking thread that we did have has now completely disappeared as since that Barnsley game where Ruari was dropped we have only scored 1 goal in the league which was against Wimbledon. 

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2 hours ago, PVFC FAN said:

The sooner he is sacked the better realistically, the later we sack him towards the window the bigger risk sacking him would be, If we plan on getting someone in we need to give them time to settle down. They need to be bloody proven though. Dont bother sacking dm if we are going to get someone who's no good.

You've changed your tune haven't you 🤔😆

I think our upturn in form coincided with Gabriel playing and cratered when he was injured. He was such a threat from the wings and that's where all our chances come from as the midfield is pedestrian. John simply cannot offer anywhere near the same output.

I'm afraid it's time for Moore to go. He deserves some credit for taking us up last season but we probably should have walked to the title and bar a handful of decent performances, it was mainly attritional. We certainly had one of, if not the biggest budget in league 2. I think that dozens of managers would have been capable of the same.

The most damning statistic for me is that I believe we have only come from behind once to win in 20 months. That suggests that the manager has no idea how to react to going behind or what to do to change things.

I don't know who is advising Carol but they're not doing a very good job. She's been sold the dream with Moore, as she was with Flitcroft before. Moore has been successful in we'll financed teams, which kind of masks his failures. She will always be revered and rightly so for ploughing millions of her own money in but her one huge downfall is to become too pally with her employees. She did it with Crosby, she did it with Flitcroft and now she's done it with Moore.

Alarm bells rang when I heard her on a podcast before the season. The way she talked about Moore was like he was an old friend who could do no wrong. I was also concerned that the general consensus is that we had recruited a league 1 team in League 2. Did we not learn anything? League 1 is ruthless and we needed to upgrade significantly, particularly in defence....our defence is not too dissimilar to last season.

The signings in the summer didn't make sense. Surely we didn't need 3 wingbacks on each side? Our squad has some quality surrounded by a lot of filler. Waine not deemed good enough to even get on as a sub for an appalling Mansfield team last season, Shipley deemed not good enough for an appalling Shrewsbury team last season, Faal an absolute joke. The others less poor but with injury reputations which have been realised.

We said that we'd learnt lessons from last time...we clearly haven't.

1 minute ago, Paul6754 said:

There is no common denominator, unfair to infer DM as he was only here part of that relegation season and inherited a poor squad after the Jan transfer window was shut.

But he had 15 games and took us from out of the relegation zone to relegated.  Then he's had numerous transfer windows and brought in players of the calibre of waine , brown and faal. I really despair at the apathy of accepting relegation because we fail to learn from mistakes.  We have great owners but so naive.  Oh well let's hope for a few 1-0s to keep us up . I'm getting very bored with this one dimensional crap!! Rant over

2 hours ago, philpvfc said:

I thought he was given a 5.5 year contract. There may be some clauses in it but either way it will most likely be very costly to terminate it with over 3.5 years left. 

The contract is rolling contract and is reviewed on a yearly basis according to the lads on The Ale and Vale Podcast , so there would be hardly any compo

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Liam Manning sacked. I'd have him tomorrow.

44 minutes ago, JohnDoe said:

I need a drink of whatever Swanny has had to be honest. 

That could be dangerous...must moonshine or poteen!

Saw a thing on Faceache. Apparently OJo had posted on SM that he was OK and doing Lift ups on a door. 
Moore should have got rid of him and he needs sacking for it. 
it shows there is obvs some discontent but to me however talented OJo he needs binning off

Funny how people see things differently. I have no issue with Ojo doing that if DM has lied through his back teeth. We'll never know I suppose

2 hours ago, PVFC FAN said:

Who will replace him, give us a possible name

 

2 hours ago, PVFC FAN said:

Can't just bin him off for someone who's <ovf censored> though, we need a decent manager to be available.

Darren couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag 

A change is needed or relegation is nailed on 

27 minutes ago, Mr Moose said:

non sequitur

I think it means your sequins arnt shiny or sparkly anymore ✨✨✨

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