If you didn't enjoy yesterday's game and the passages of excellent play, impressive ball control etc you need to find something else to do on a Saturday afternoon. 😁

2 hours ago, JoeB2 said:

I've been leaning Moore out for a few weeks, but 'if we lose it's on him, when we win it's in spite of him' is proper mental gymnastics lads.

Absolutely spot on. It feels like, win or lose, there’s always a tendency to focus on what Moore should have done differently. I’ve been a strong supporter of him over the past few months, and while he's not been without fault, he is yet again showing how he can churn out three points. 

The return of Garrity has undoubtedly been a major factor in the turnaround, but losing a player of his calibre was always going to have a significant impact. You only need to look at how Guardiola’s struggles without Rodri, he is the heartbeat of City’s midfield, and when he’s absent, their whole rhythm is off. Garrity plays a similar role for us. The loss of Garrity, along with Byers to some extent, and Harper’s injury were, in my opinion, key reasons for the blip. I pointed this out several times during that period.

He’s not perfect, but to have Port Vale sitting in 3rd place with 20 games left is a solid, and we’re definitely in contention for promotion. If it doesn’t come this season, so be it—progress is still being made after a couple of poor years.

I also think Moore gets more stick than he deserves, partly because his personality isn’t similar to a Clarke or an Adams’. But those are different styles, and Moore’s steady approach is working, even if it doesn’t always get the credit it deserves.

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by Portvale4

3 minutes ago, Portvale4 said:

Absolutely spot on. It feels like, win or lose, there’s always a tendency to focus on what Moore should have done differently. I’ve been a strong supporter of him over the past few months, and while he's not been without fault, he is yet again showing how he can churn out three points. 

The return of Garrity has undoubtedly been a major factor in the turnaround, but losing a player of his calibre was always going to have a significant impact. You only need to look at how Guardiola’s struggles without Rodri, he is the heartbeat of City’s midfield, and when he’s absent, their whole rhythm is off. Garrity plays a similar role for us. The loss of Garrity, along with Byers to some extent, and Harper’s injury were, in my opinion, key reasons for the blip. I pointed this out several times during that period.

He’s not perfect, but to have Port Vale sitting in 3rd place with 20 games left is a solid, and we’re definitely in contention for promotion. If it doesn’t come this season, so be it—progress is still being made after a couple of poor years.

I also think Moore gets more stick than he deserves, partly because his personality isn’t similar to a Clarke or an Adams’. But those are different styles, and Moore’s steady approach is working, even if it doesn’t always get the credit it deserves.

Sadly there are fans who have decided that Moore is not the man for Vale and they will never change their opinion.

Lose and it's all on him, win and we were lucky, how many games have we won under Moore by 'lucky goals' or penalties, or playing 9/10 men (even though we were winning by the time players were sent off!)?

You cannot please every fan no matter who the manager is and even if we manage to get promotion, certain fans will bang on about how poor the League is, or the money spent taking us up, not the managers tactics etc. and he won't be any good in League One.

 

There's an agenda against Moore. Absolutely no doubt about that.

Win and it's down to the players. Lose and it's down to him.

It's almost like there's something else driving this agenda, and it's got nothing to do with football...

If show all second goal  on highlights watch the contribution of at least 5 players all impressive if I'm correct John get ball burst s up the field plays ball to Clark who then plays a delightful ball down channel to Tolaj who put in a ball what was class Croasdale /heads down Stockley finishes it a wonderful goal .

Moore of that 

2 minutes ago, Dipepa delight said:

If show all second goal  on highlights watch the contribution of at least 5 players all impressive if I'm correct John get ball burst s up the field plays ball to Clark who then plays a delightful ball down channel to Tolaj who put in a ball what was class Croasdale /heads down Stockley finishes it a wonderful goal .

Moore of that 

Also fantastic spot by John to pick out Headley for the 3rd. Think possibly took a deflection before it reached Headley but still a great spot by John. 

I think we got to strap ourselves in. Football is weird. Going be a bumpy ride till May.

Look at Salford won 6 in a row, turned over at home by mid table Fleetwood. MK Dons have suddenly imploded conceding goals for fun, 6 at Newport and 4 at Walsall. Think they'd also won 5 or 6 on the bounce before this poor run.

Because of how tight things are we have some humdingers to play. 

Salford, Notts County and Bradford at home.

Chesterfield, Crewe, Walsall and Wimbledon away. 

Us fans are going to have a big part to play. Saw Stockley being interviewed by that young lad and he said the fans were excellent the last half an hour. 

That's what we need, not boos after 15 mins however crap we might be playing. 

As others have said Garrity is our Rodri. Stats back that up.

Garrity stays fit till May we are banging on that promotion door.

I'm as critical as the next person but things like the whole ground cheering Hart off the pitch whilst understandable isn't great is it.

We need that second half atmosphere more, it obviously feeds off the performance I get that but at times it resembles a morgue and is very quiet. 

 

15 minutes ago, Granville said:

There's an agenda against Moore. Absolutely no doubt about that.

Win and it's down to the players. Lose and it's down to him.

It's almost like there's something else driving this agenda, and it's got nothing to do with football...

It's a conclusion I think gets thrown around too often (if you're thinking the same as me) but I have started to wonder exactly the same thing. Some of the criticism, after wins in particular, is completely irrational. You're left wondering what's the real issue here.

19 minutes ago, Dipepa delight said:

If show all second goal  on highlights watch the contribution of at least 5 players all impressive if I'm correct John get ball burst s up the field plays ball to Clark who then plays a delightful ball down channel to Tolaj who put in a ball what was class Croasdale /heads down Stockley finishes it a wonderful goal .

Moore of that 

It was Smith who headed it down for Stockley.

1 minute ago, Wozza4England said:

You’re a poisonous little 💩 you know.

Hahaha the Kraken awakes! Thought you had me on ignore? 

Surprised you can actually write instead of doing the worried face reaction? Been to night school?

Think you've also proved my point. Well done.

38 minutes ago, Granville said:

There's an agenda against Moore. Absolutely no doubt about that.

Win and it's down to the players. Lose and it's down to him.

It's almost like there's something else driving this agenda, and it's got nothing to do with football...

38 minutes ago, Granville said:

There's an agenda against Moore. Absolutely no doubt about that.

Win and it's down to the players. Lose and it's down to him.

It's almost like there's something else driving this agenda, and it's got nothing to do with football...

Absolutely.

But if we chalk off "Nippy Naylor" and his dozen or so anti-Moore aliases, the picture becomes a lot more balanced.

1 minute ago, Mellor! said:

 

Please, Mellor, not at lunchtime ... 🙂

40 minutes ago, Dipepa delight said:

If show all second goal  on highlights watch the contribution of at least 5 players all impressive if I'm correct John get ball burst s up the field plays ball to Clark who then plays a delightful ball down channel to Tolaj who put in a ball what was class Croasdale /heads down Stockley finishes it a wonderful goal .

Moore of that 

Smith headed it down not Croasdale

47 minutes ago, Granville said:

There's an agenda against Moore. Absolutely no doubt about that.

Win and it's down to the players. Lose and it's down to him.

It's almost like there's something else driving this agenda, and it's got nothing to do with football...

Hell's bells, I hope it's not what you're alluding to!