Shrewsbury (H) match thread - 9th March

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6 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Fairly routine victory for the opposition.  We moan about strikers but the problems run right through the team.

Exactly. Put Messi up front, who’s going to give him the ball? Lowe, Ojo, Weir? It would be like putting a candle under a bowl and wondering why it’s still dark.

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[werstayinup]

She should of saved all the free drinks money and paid Flitcroft off 🙂 

[Packmoor_vale]

2 minutes ago, Playa Amodores said:

Why should he if he’s got a contract.?  You need to ask who gave him that contract, the same person who gave DM 5.5 years. 

Who says DF has a contract?

[Playa Amodores]

5 minutes ago, chickensteve said:

I was rotered into work today (again!) but intended to try and get to the match for about 3:30. I was just packing up as the first goal went in, listening to the radio for a few mins with comments from bowers and sproston about players being gutless, frightened of the ball, no confidence and heads down I accepted an offer of a few minutes extra work and got home for the 2nd half. The players have no fight, there's been no fight since Middlesbrough. I can accept losing if I see fight but this team this year the heads go down and it's a question of how many? The first game against Barnsley told the story, we hadn't prepared properly in preseason, were not prepared now. I've accepted that my team is going down but I can't accept that we're going down with a whimper.

Steve, your commitment is to be commended. Pity with your enthusiasm your not on the pitch, well done mate

[osprey]

4 minutes ago, theresonlyonemcphee said:

Mr Moore says we have to be more concentration.

Yes…

[Black N White]

4 minutes ago, MBE said:

I’m not stepping foot in Vale Park again until Flitcroft is gone.

 

I’m not stepping foot in Vale park till Carol has gone! 

[PVFC764]

1 minute ago, Packmoor_vale said:

Who says DF has a contract?

He doesn't do it for fun.  He will be on a good wedge.  Was part time and managed to wangle it to full time.  He actually came for the managers job and walked out with DoF.  Needs to go.

[Playa Amodores]

3 minutes ago, Packmoor_vale said:

Who says DF has a contract?

He’s gone from P/T to F/T of course he’s got a contract. Do you think he’s on zero hours. He’ll be there as long as the piper keeps paying him. 

Edited March 9 by Playa Amodores
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[osprey]

Just now, Playa Amodores said:

He’s gone from P/T to F/T of course he’s got a contract. Do you think he’s on zero hours.

Wish he was

[Lornelounger]

I think Flitcroft will leave for the following reasons:

1 - using the criteria of the targets he had to hit like Carol did a while back, he has failed abysmally to provide the last 2 managers with players to keep us up.  That's the most important criteria for me - the other criteria Carol said he had hit were nice, but we are a football club when push comes to shove.  And he is in charge of all things on the pitch. And that's been shockingly bad.

2 - That fact will hurt him professionally. He has to look Darren Moore in the eye most days, and that won't feel good. He has to explain his failure to Carol (and despite some of the pathetic comments on here about the relationship between Carol and Flitcroft, she will see that he has failed - and you can't just big him up with the successes he has had without pointing out the most glaring, expensive failure - relegation).

3 - So I think he will resign, because he has just had the relegation of the club laid fairly and squarely at his door.  I'm assuming he has integrity here, and is ultimately doing his best, but given the budget he has to work with, his best just hasn't cut it.  He can make a statement to say "thanks for the promotion, and sorry about the two dire seasons in League 1 - good luck"

4 - if he doesn't resign, he will have to be dismissed, which will hurt him more - so I think he will jump before he is pushed. It gives the club a convenient way of lumping a lot of the blame his way, and starting afresh (which gets a few people off the hook temporarily).  The players have to have a look at themselves too, but I'm assuming a lot will leave this summer.

5 -  Darren Moore will then be free to do things his way.  He took the job on with a DoF who has failed to provide us with the bullets to fire, and I am sure he is champing at the bit to get hold of the club, get in his own players, and get us playing better football again.  He didn't sign 5.5 years to be a failure.  I wouldn't even be surprised that relegation was always on his mind, and the events of the last few weeks have just confirmed that he has inherited a shitshow not of his making. He will be keen to start afresh without Flitcroft.

I hope this is how it plays out in terms of Flitcroft's departure.  He simply has to go, by one means or another. 

Edited March 9 by Lornelounger

[werstayinup]

2 hours ago, Vtid said:

As bad as the players are he’s clueless. We all know Willo can’t play the lone striker role so he plays him up top on his own 🙄 what’s happening with the captaincy. Smith, then Ojo, then garrity given a go now back to smith. Ffs just pick a captain & stick with it! 

I respect the majority of things you say mate but i simply cant agree with the blaming of DM for our <ovf censored> show,this has been happening well before he came in,I know we wont find out but i cant think of any manager who would of sorted this out. I know its frustrating but we have to stick with him and allow him to bring his players in including actual strikers...... he said we will be seeing a lot more of Dipepa now and i think that was a veiled dig at the poor recruitment of strikers

[JS Valiant]

2 minutes ago, osprey said:

Climbing mountains with Darren 

The Same Old Post Match crap from Moore.

Some Fans keep saying Moore’s Hands are tied. He keeps saying The Mentality isn’t right Blah Blah Blah.

Its his Job to get the Mentality Better and the Tactics etc etc, he his doing a lot worse than what Crosby Did.

He said he was pleased with us creating chances, really, after 6 games and one point.

His way of defending corners is absolutely comical.

[eh up nah]

She who could do with shedding a few pounds is belting them out like Evita now chaps.

God a dire season, absolutely awful.

Flitcroft simply has to go, if he doesn't we're national league bound.

 Carol, Christ, surely you can't be that blinkered?  

She simply must be scared of the <ovf censored>. 

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Can’t be bothered to go through every player, but look at the players we’ve got who are used to losing:

Ripley - relegated

Chislett- relegated

Smith - relegated

League 2 players, Players on their first pro club who have let them play more than 5 games

cast offs, injury proners, literally a player from non-league plucked to start games.

What a joke.

[philmpv]

I think Flitcroft will leave for the following reasons:
1 - using the criteria of the targets he had to hit like Carol did a while back, he has failed abysmally to provide the last 2 managers with players to keep us up.  That's the most important criteria for me - the other criteria Carol said he had hit were nice, but we are a football club when push comes to shove.  And he is in charge of all things on the pitch. An that's been shockingly bad.
2 - That fact will hurt him professionally. He has to look Darren Moore in the eye most days, and that won't feel good. He has to explain his failure to Carol (and despite some of the pathetic comments on here about the relationship between Carol and Flitcroft, she will see that he has failed - and you can't just big him up with the successes he has had without pointing out the most caring, expensive failure - relegation) ).
3 - So I think he will resign, because he has just had the relegation of the club laid fairly and squarely at his door.  I'm assuming he has integrity here, and is ultimately doing his best, but given the budget he has to work with, his best just hasn't cut it.  He can make a statement to say "thanks for the promotion, and sorry about the two dire seasons in League 1 - good luck"
4 - if he doesn't resign, he will have to be dismissed, which will hurt him more - so I think he will jump before he is pushed. It gives the club a convenient way of lumping a lot of the blame his way, and starting afresh (which gets a few people off the hook temporarily).  The players have to have a look at themselves too, but I'm assuming a lot will leave this summer.
5 -  Darren Moore will then be free to do things his way.  He took the job on with a DoF who has failed to provide us with the bullets to fire, and I am sure he is champing at the bit to get hold of the club, get in his own players, and get us playing better football again.  He didn't sign 5.5 years to be a failure.  I wouldn't even be surprised that relegation was always on his mind, and the events of the last few weeks have just confirmed that he has inherited a shitshow not of his making. He will be keen to start afresh without Flitcroft.
I hope this is how it plays out in terms of Flitcroft's departure.  He simply has to go, by one means or another. 

I admire your optimism re DM but I've seen nothing to suggest he's the great manager many have made him out to be. Even DC managed to take stock of and then organise and galvanise the worst Vale squad in 20 years into an effective unit to achieve what was needed