Fan forum 25th Jan

[Jacko51]

47 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

I agree. Except loaning players off Prem clubs isn’t going to develop our own income. The clubs that make money are successful clubs. Not necessarily big ones. I guarantee Stevenage won’t publish a loss because they have a decent, Prem standard academy and an owner who has never loaned against the club. When they wanted a new stand, he got fans to fund it via a bond scheme..

We have had a GoFundMe from the Supporters Club to finish the Lorne Street Stand. It's been going for over three years and currently stands at £15,540.  Vale fans would buy into a bond scheme.

[Hot Rat]

1 hour ago, TJHValiant said:

The market isn’t too expensive. We are in a competitive environment. It is dictated by other clubs, I.e our rivals. You either pay to compete, or you don’t. I don’t think Flitcroft or Crosby have these elite skills to defy the markets. That’s what their fans on here think we can achieve. 
 

Will Goodwin is exactly, at 21, the sort of player who will go on to be a huge asset from what I have seen. He is the sort of player we should be investing in and will go on to be sold for much more. That’s my idea of developing youth, not going through a cycle of loans from the Prem which are never our players. I did actually think the lads who played at the Blackpool game were brilliant and there is some real hope there, but they won’t keep us in the league. 
 

An owner has to pump in millions to keep a club afloat. That’s a minimum expectation of a league football club. May as well run it ourselves if being skint and not spending money is acceptable. The aim is, you put money in, in the hope that decent player sales can generate a profit or the club gets into the top two divisions where profit can be made if investment is frugal. 

Then there is the scoreboard. I am staggered to find it was a loan against the club. I thought it had been donated to the club! So will this Vale Park campus be loaned against the club too? Or is there money for that?  
 

There was another person who liked to loan money against the club rather than putting his own in…

Whether its expensive or not is a moot point. The expense dictated by the market is dependent upon some clubs willing to take risks and pay over-inflated transfer fees to either achieve promotion or to avert relegation and depends upon each clubs cash flow  - they are businesses and have to be administered as such. If the cash in from attendances, sponsorships, cup competitions is insufficient to run the club then just like any business, the director has to put money into the club to either grow or meet the shortfall and stay float. In business terms its seen as investment but in football club terms its termed loans but there is no difference. Portsmouth have a significant debt and are currently subject to claims from shareholders who have invested (loaned) millions but run out of interest or have not had sufficient return on their investment and now want their cash back. This is the negative of taking a risk on players then not achieving the goal the business model anticipates. Unfortunately this could put Portsmouth in the same boat as Reading.

I would much prefer a sustainable club run by a true fan than a fool  who was deluded enough to think a football club represented a good investment then when the penny dropped threw a tantrum. 

[Brian Johnson]

19 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

We have had a GoFundMe from the Supporters Club to finish the Lorne Street Stand. It's been going for over three years and currently stands at £15,540.  Vale fans would buy into a bond scheme.

Could this be transferred over to the Rudge Statue Fund then that is all the funds needed to get that comleted

[TJHValiant]

1 minute ago, Hot Rat said:

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I would much prefer a sustainable club run by a true fan than a fool  who was deluded enough to think a football club represented a good investment then when the penny dropped threw a tantrum. 

Is taking out a loan against the club for a scoreboard a sustainable model and the actions of a “true fan”? 
 

Is the funding of a “Campus” highly likely to be through another loan if we are taking them out for scoreboards? Is that sustainable? I love the idea, I love the club thinking big, but it is all a waste if the club isn’t going to be spending money on players. Our players. Not a couple of flash sounding lads from a Prem academy who will take the heat off Flitcroft for a week or two before fans rightfully ask why we a short. 
 

The last fool thought  it was a good idea to spend money into feasibility studies into things like pubs. 
 

When will we get someone who values spending money at a football club on the biggest asset a club could ever have. Footballers. 
 

I’d pee in a bucket and check the scores on my phone if it meant a better squad. 
 

As for the campus, get some old building in Burslem (take your pick hundreds of the things) stick the gym gear in there and get the stand finished. 
 

 

[Fosse69]

Is taking out a loan against the club for a scoreboard a sustainable model and the actions of a “true fan”? 
 
Is the funding of a “Campus” highly likely to be through another loan if we are taking them out for scoreboards? Is that sustainable? I love the idea, I love the club thinking big, but it is all a waste if the club isn’t going to be spending money on players. Our players. Not a couple of flash sounding lads from a Prem academy who will take the heat off Flitcroft for a week or two before fans rightfully ask why we a short. 
 
The last fool thought  it was a good idea to spend money into feasibility studies into things like pubs. 
 
When will we get someone who values spending money at a football club on the biggest asset a club could ever have. Footballers. 
 
I’d pee in a bucket and check the scores on my phone if it meant a better squad. 
 
As for the campus, get some old building in Burslem (take your pick hundreds of the things) stick the gym gear in there and get the stand finished. 
 
 

How do you know you can fit the campus into a building? How many football pitches etc are involved?

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[Stockleys_socks]

8 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

Is taking out a loan against the club for a scoreboard a sustainable model and the actions of a “true fan”? 
 

Is the funding of a “Campus” highly likely to be through another loan if we are taking them out for scoreboards? Is that sustainable? I love the idea, I love the club thinking big, but it is all a waste if the club isn’t going to be spending money on players. Our players. Not a couple of flash sounding lads from a Prem academy who will take the heat off Flitcroft for a week or two before fans rightfully ask why we a short. 
 

The last fool thought  it was a good idea to spend money into feasibility studies into things like pubs. 
 

When will we get someone who values spending money at a football club on the biggest asset a club could ever have. Footballers. 
 

I’d pee in a bucket and check the scores on my phone if it meant a better squad. 
 

As for the campus, get some old building in Burslem (take your pick hundreds of the things) stick the gym gear in there and get the stand finished. 
 

 

Re the scoreboard, with the advertising it will pay for itself.

As for a gym in some building in burslem; thats great for morale of the injured players working in isolation away from the craic and banter that comes with being around the squad day to day.

Have you listened to the Arblaster interview on the pod? If ever there was a ringing endorsement for the work the club is doing behind the scenes to attract better players thats it.

I wouldn't like to manage a team made up of mercenaries & journeymen who's only motivation to come to vale was a big wage.

[Emile]

Right in the middle on this one.

I think investing in infrastructure is great if you are also investing in the playing side of things. The summer transfer window was a success, although missing a couple of key pieces. January may not be the time to plough a load of money into the squad but I'm not sure filling those gaps with loans that will only run into the summer is also the best option.
Isn't there a young lad we can buy on the cheap from somewhere who we can polish up to be sold? This is the long-term strategy, isn't it? Selling players for more than we paid for them? I'd like to see us gamble on buying a couple of young players and seeing if we can turn them into lg 1 players. With an older striker coming in who isn't getting game time elsewhere to help us get over the line and stay up.

[Packmoor_vale]

25 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

 

The last fool thought  it was a good idea to spend money into feasibility studies into things like pubs. 
 

 

 

 

You should go the pub tonight it’s Friday night that generally means it’s a happy night a pint with your mates after the weeks work is in the bank 

Dont worry if u got no mates I’m sure someone will talk to u

[TJHValiant]

16 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

How do you know you can fit the campus into a building? How many football pitches etc are involved?

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I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting one motivation for the campus is to enable the players gym to be moved from the Lorne street to a new location build as part of said campus. 
 

I say move the gym to a building in Burslem converted for purpose and get the Lorne Street finished. 

[mbycars]

1 hour ago, Brian Johnson said:

Could this be transferred over to the Rudge Statue Fund then that is all the funds needed to get that comleted

You would have to ballot all the fans that have contributed to Lorne St fund. Could be complicated and antagonise some.

[Brian Johnson]

4 minutes ago, mbycars said:

You would have to ballot all the fans that have contributed to Lorne St fund. Could be complicated and antagonise some.

Not sure how complicated that would be but that fund is going no where and funds seem to be stuck in some time capsule.

I'm sure the supporters club could convince most of the fund givers to swap it over to help finish building a statue for a true legend of the club.

Whats real & more durable right now, getting a statue built or getting a seat put in stand no one is going to use?

Part of the supporters club selling speal could be that the next project they will concentrate on is the Lorne Street fund.

Its such a shame that £15k is going to be sitting around doing nothing when thats all we need to get that statue built.

[bomber]

I am more for the Lorne street than the statue ! If we could get the Lorne st done and up and running , maybe longer term we can think about the railway paddock.

[Brian Johnson]

1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

We have had a GoFundMe from the Supporters Club to finish the Lorne Street Stand. It's been going for over three years and currently stands at £15,540.  Vale fans would buy into a bond scheme.

@Bede can the supporters club do anything to try and get this money for the Statue fund?

[Guppys left peg]

My guess is something like that would need to be voted on at the supporters club AGM which I think I’d seen them tweet it was happening next week so probably too late now. Me personally I’ve always thought the LS fund should be the greater priority but then if they can’t move the players gym yet then maybe that puts a different spin on it.

[bomber]

The Lorne street fund had some legs then Covid hit ! Never really got going after that. Just wish a Vale fan wins the lotto and put a few million in!