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4 hours ago, geosname said:

They voted on the information the people in the know gave them..... if the people in the know are ignorant how is that the voters fault.

Well remainers voted based on what they knew, the status quo. What you suggest is an abdication of responsibility for what you vote for. 

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1 hour ago, Andyregs said:

Well remainers voted based on what they knew, the status quo. What you suggest is an abdication of responsibility for what you vote for. 

People voted on the information they were given. A percentage of that information were forecasts that were incorrect. A huge percentage of relevant information wasn't given because the people in the know didn't actually know.

If a party promises to invest 10 billion in the NHS before an election but doesn't deliver is it the electorates fault for voting for them?..... after the referendum  both major parties stood an a platform of honouring the referendum result.... didn't they know of any problems at the time?

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On 29/09/2019 at 18:50, Nofinikea said:

I am well aware what a hedge fund is and how it works and I am also aware that many of Boris's mates have bet millions on the pound tumbling.  The way to guarantee that is to crash out of the EU on 31st October without a deal.

Now, seeing as coming out of the EU is such a great thing and will benefit is all (according to you and a few others on here), why do you suppose that the markets are expecting the pound to nose dive upon such an occurrence?  I mean, from what you tell us, the pound should sky rocket shouldn't it, making us all better off?  Care to explain how the pound devaluing (which it already significantly has since the vote) is good for us all?  I know the few exports we still have should be better off, of course they often import first in there supply chain so its negated but how is the bloke in Asda better off when his pound buys less?

Also, it's not my theory.  It's the theory of people much cleverer than me and infinitely more intelligent than you.

So this was a complete load of rubbish then?

Those infinitely clever people weren't so clever after all. Stay tuned if you want a brexit prediction that actually comes true (You won't like it, because it was from me and it was absolutely spot on).

On 01/09/2019 at 10:02, Jacko51 said:

Just suppose this is a cunning plan by Bojo and Co to concentrate the minds of the EU because they will see no deal is inevitable if they don't do something.  Just suppose the EU bends a bit and we actually end up with a deal.  What do you think will be the reaction of FUA, RB and Howjy:

a) They will applaud Boris for being a genius;

b) They will say they never wanted No Deal anyway despite banging on about it being the best thing since sliced bread,

c) They will spontaneously combust?

Where do you stand on this post now out of interest Jacko? 

And out of interest which option do you think will be correct? A B or C?

On 05/09/2019 at 22:09, Jacko51 said:

So why did Johnson tell us it could happen?  Why did he say the chances of no deal were a million to one?

Maybe he was negotiating?

Maybe, like brexiteers have said all along, you need all of your cards on the table in a negotiation.

 

 

And here's what I posted in August, when Johnson tried to prorogue parliament. Whilst prominent remainers, the media and even a couple of defeated Tory leadership hopefulls were telling us that there was no chance that the EU would give any concessions on the backstop.

Whilst they were telling us that Johnson was riding roughshod over our democracy to force no deal through.

On 29/08/2019 at 06:32, Regal Beagle said:

I actually believe he has done it to try and get a deal without the backstop through parliament so I'm not particularly excited about it. I'm indifferent really.

 

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1 hour ago, Andyregs said:

Well remainers voted based on what they knew, the status quo. What you suggest is an abdication of responsibility for what you vote for. 

Leavers voted based on what they knew, the status quo.

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3 hours ago, geosname said:

Junker has said no extension......

If the deal on the table is not accepted what's the alternative?

They could revoke article 50...... good luck trying to explain that to the public..... and go for a general election.

Would that blow Labour's stance out of the water?

Juncker over ruled by Tusk, extension situation still available

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53 minutes ago, Regal Beagle said:

Leavers voted based on what they knew, the status quo.

And three of the regular posters have now said leaders voted for something they didn’t understand or know enough about. 

1 hour ago, geosname said:

People voted on the information they were given. A percentage of that information were forecasts that were incorrect. A huge percentage of relevant information wasn't given because the people in the know didn't actually know.

If a party promises to invest 10 billion in the NHS before an election but doesn't deliver is it the electorates fault for voting for them?..... after the referendum  both major parties stood an a platform of honouring the referendum result.... didn't they know of any problems at the time?

It was clear to anyone who thought long enough about it, that voting leave would be a vote in the dark.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

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14 minutes ago, Andyregs said:

And three of the regular posters have now said leaders voted for something they didn’t understand or know enough about. 

It was clear to anyone who thought long enough about it, that voting leave would be a vote in the dark.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

First of all, I'm not quite sure you've interpreted the posts correctly there, and I think it's quite clear what they were and were not saying, but I'll let them explain their own posts.

What is your point exactly? If it's just an observation, fair enough, I don't fully agree but I understand and will agree up to a point. If you are trying to somehow delegitimize the result then how far back do we go? Can we say the same about the 1975 referendum?

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4 hours ago, Mario said:

Corbyn said on Sky they wont support it and I think, not sure so did the Lib Dem spokesman,it's obvious Sturgeon wont support it what ever the result.

As Jacko said Corbyn is willing to not accept the deal, prior to reading it, how will anything be agreed in this Parliament with pillocks like him for leaders.

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28 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Self-interest instead of national interest?

Do you support the deal? Isn’t it being reported that the deal is the same as mays, but with a tweaked backstop? I thought mays deal was terrible? 

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3 minutes ago, Andyregs said:

Do you support the deal? Isn’t it being reported that the deal is the same as mays, but with a tweaked backstop? I thought mays deal was terrible? 

This seems to be an improvement on May's deal but I will read the details before committing to it.

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5 minutes ago, For Us All said:

This seems to be an improvement on May's deal but I will read the details before committing to it.

I’ll look forward to it. Must be much improved to make a terrible deal into an acceptable one.

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The TV coverage of Brexit is so biased towards remaining

Instead of celebrating the fact that democracy is finally heading towards actually being carried out at last, its 80%-20% in favour of the minority who lost

Gets on my nerves

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It doesn't matter what deal was done there are factions who for whatever reason would scupper it,the Irish for instance are a nation who wallow in religious bigotry,it suits the IRA for this uncertainty their money making rackets have suffered since the peace deal.

I would have more respect for them if they put the same effort into opening Storemont as they do painting murals on the side of houses.

Boris is nuts Iv'e said it before, BUT he is closer to resolving this muddle than that wet wipe May,for everyone's sanity sign it off and move on.

There are too many people who delight in running this country down, I for one think it is one of the finest in the world,lets move on and prove it.

I fear what will happen if this is not sorted out on Saturday. 

 

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On 16/10/2019 at 20:28, Jacko51 said:

So tell me his version and tell me why the photo was faked??  And remember, Davis is a politician so a born liar.

You talk about liars,the biggest liars are the EU who stated that the would never open the withdrawal agreement.

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5 hours ago, Andyregs said:

And three of the regular posters have now said leaders voted for something they didn’t understand or know enough about. 

It was clear to anyone who thought long enough about it, that voting leave would be a vote in the dark.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

For anyone under 50 it was obviously a vote in the dark.

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5 hours ago, Fosse69 said:

Juncker over ruled by Tusk, extension situation still available

I'm not surprised...... good job it's not their decision.

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11 hours ago, geosname said:

Junker says no extension.... we have a deal so no need for prolongation.

That's screwed the Benn/surrender act.

Farage is moaning about it.

You really couldn't make this crap up

And now the DUP is threatening to stop the organ grinding.

Extension anyone?

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