Brexit again...

[Regal Beagle]

Leave. It really is the only option.

[ginge]

Local MPs voting in today's Corbyn/Letwin motion.

 

Gareth Snell....says he doesn't want no deal to protect jobs, but abstains from a motion to prevent it. He also says he regrets voting down May's deal.

 

Ruth Smeeth... says she doesn't want to crash out with no deal but again abstains from a motion to prevent it.

 

Paul Farrelly, abstained but was on a DCMS trip, his vote would have been paired.

 

Jack Brereton, voted against the motion.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Look at all the things we'll be able to do when we're free of the evil tyranny of the EU. We'll be able to sneakily reintroduce pesticides that can cause "cancer, birth defects and immune disorders". Lovely stuff.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/12/uk-accused-silently-eroding-eu-pesticide-rules-brexit-laws

[For Us All]

MPs have rejected a Labour-led effort to take control of Parliament's timetable, blocking the latest attempt to stop a no-deal Brexit.

The Commons opposed the move by 309 votes to 298.

 

Copied and pasted from BBC News.

[Heatwave]

MPs have rejected a Labour-led effort to take control of Parliament's timetable, blocking the latest attempt to stop a no-deal Brexit.

The Commons opposed the move by 309 votes to 298.

 

Copied and pasted from BBC News.

 

In the event, if Boris or whoever insists on no deal there will be a vote of confidence in the Government - and don't expect all the Tories to go through the 'no' lobby. Once the Labour abstainers and Leavers get the chance to get rid of the Tories they'll grab it with both hands.

[Warren]

In the event, if Boris or whoever insists on no deal there will be a vote of confidence in the Government - and don't expect all the Tories to go through the 'no' lobby. Once the Labour abstainers and Leavers get the chance to get rid of the Tories they'll grab it with both hands.

 

Boris is going to win the Tory election easily. He is at slight danger at the MP stage, but already has about 90 MPs known to be supporting him so should be OK. Once in office he is likely to seek compromise to unite the Tory Party and that will be a sufficient basis to handle the Parliamentary deadlock. If you look today at whose in the room at his launch, they come from both sides of the argument.

 

The Maybot has created an existential risk to the Tory party. But it is clear that Boris in leadership with a successful resolution to Brexit would have the Tory's back over 40% whilst Labour and the Lib Dems headbutt on 20 something. Hence there will be a coming together, the members of the party will vote him in by a country mile, and with difficulty we will get through to a successful Brexit solution.

 

Then Boris will focus on Corbyn et al. The Maybot has so little political skill, this communist, anti-semitic racist, and hater of everything UK and US, with a passion for commemorating acts of terrorism and terrorist organisations, will have the full spotlight applied to him. And about time.

 

The most important thing from the EU side is to get rid of the Maybot who can't resolve the Parliamentary problem. Once they see there is a genuine chance that a new PM can overcome Parliament they are likely to be prepared to negotiate further provided Ireland agrees. This is going to require some new ideas to improve the Maybot deal for both sides, not just throw it away. Too much work gone in to date, no matter how badly managed. On 1 November a new set of EC officials take office, and that is time for a fresh start on the trade negotiation side of this.

[ginge]

Boris is going to win the Tory election easily. He is at slight danger at the MP stage, but already has about 90 MPs known to be supporting him so should be OK. Once in office he is likely to seek compromise to unite the Tory Party and that will be a sufficient basis to handle the Parliamentary deadlock. If you look today at whose in the room at his launch, they come from both sides of the argument.

 

The Maybot has created an existential risk to the Tory party. But it is clear that Boris in leadership with a successful resolution to Brexit would have the Tory's back over 40% whilst Labour and the Lib Dems headbutt on 20 something. Hence there will be a coming together, the members of the party will vote him in by a country mile, and with difficulty we will get through to a successful Brexit solution.

 

The most important thing from the EU side is to get rid of the Maybot who can't resolve the Parliamentary problem. Once they see there is a genuine chance that a new PM can overcome Parliament they are likely to be prepared to negotiate further provided Ireland agrees. This is going to require some new ideas to improve the Maybot deal for both sides, not just throw it away. Too much work gone in to date, no matter how badly managed. On 1 November a new set of EC officials take office, and that is time for a fresh start on the trade negotiation side of this.

 

Boris will not get a no deal through parliament, and is unlikely to magic a new deal. A vote of no confidence is more likely then. The likes of Liz Truss were there today for a cabinet position. Theresa May had leavers and remainers voting for her deal. If that poll was true about wider support giving Boris 39 percent share of the vote, then the first thing he would do is call a general election to gain a bigger majority to break the deadlock.

[Warren]

Boris will not get a no deal through parliament, and is unlikely to magic a new deal. A vote of no confidence is more likely then. The likes of Liz Truss were there today for a cabinet position. Theresa May had leavers and remainers voting for her deal. If that poll was true about wider support giving Boris 39 percent share of the vote, then the first thing he would do is call a general election to gain a bigger majority to break the deadlock.

 

As he has said, Brexit needs to be resolved before a General Election. However, A big difference is that Boris will manage Parliament more intelligently. That includes using all the dirty tricks in the book if necessary just as people supporting remain have been doing for the last three years to frustrate things. Personally I think the Labour Party is in big trouble as well. Many of the MPs are likely to be deselected and there are the issues of bullying and racism. Corbyn commands very little support among Labour MPs, only in the wider membership. So, if they are leaving they have little to lose in doing the right thing is a viable proposal is put to them.

 

The Tory MPs will also take note of the membership election vote. It is going to be overwhelming for Boris. Not a good idea to upset your own members. The Maybot on the other hand was elected without that vote last time because of Leadsom, and she never commanded support anywhere. Add to that her being politically an absolute hopeless leader and that is why we are at impasse today.

[ginge]

As he has said, Brexit needs to be resolved before a General Election. However, A big difference is that Boris will manage Parliament more intelligently. That includes using all the dirty tricks in the book if necessary just as people supporting remain have been doing for the last three years to frustrate things. Personally I think the Labour Party is in big trouble as well. Many of the MPs are likely to be deselected and there are the issues of bullying and racism. Corbyn commands very little support among Labour MPs, only in the wider membership. So, if they are leaving they have little to lose in doing the right thing is a viable proposal is put to them.

 

The Tory MPs will also take note of the membership election vote. It is going to be overwhelming for Boris. Not a good idea to upset your own members. The Maybot on the other hand was elected without that vote last time because of Leadsom, and she never commanded support anywhere.

Yes but if these polls are true he'd be stupid not to call a GE, changing the makeup of parliament could help get something through whatever side of it you're on. I think these polls are nonsense, Boris could win over brexit party voters but not the others, a middle of the line approach that rory stewart is more likely to take votes off labour, there's already a lot of people listening to him.

 

And Boris has said we will be leaving on the 31st October for definite, so clearly he doesnt believe in your idea of waiting for new EU officials.

[mr.hobblesworth]

Corbyn will absolutely destroy a Conservative party led by Boris Johnson. As much as it will be a huge embarrassment to have the country led by an inept, racist, lying, philandering homophobe like Johnson, short term will lead to long term gain.

[geosname]

Corbyn will absolutely destroy a Conservative party led by Boris Johnson. As much as it will be a huge embarrassment to have the country led by an inept, racist, lying, philandering homophobe like Johnson, short term will lead to long term gain.

 

Good job you put his name at the end..... people may get confused.

[Fosse69]

Yes but if these polls are true he'd be stupid not to call a GE, changing the makeup of parliament could help get something through whatever side of it you're on. I think these polls are nonsense, Boris could win over brexit party voters but not the others, a middle of the line approach that rory stewart is more likely to take votes off labour, there's already a lot of people listening to him.

 

And Boris has said we will be leaving on the 31st October for definite, so clearly he doesnt believe in your idea of waiting for new EU officials.

 

Boris will not have the choice if the EU decide to not give an extension other than for a referendum or election. Additional customs capacity in France and the Netherlands will be ready by than, all countries have been told to be make last minute adjustments for no-deal.

[Davebrad]

then you say leavers were scare-mongering... fake news.

 

 

 

 

Look at all the things we'll be able to do when we're free of the evil tyranny of the EU. We'll be able to sneakily reintroduce pesticides that can cause "cancer, birth defects and immune disorders". Lovely stuff.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/12/uk-accused-silently-eroding-eu-pesticide-rules-brexit-laws

[mr.hobblesworth]

How is it? Genuine question.

[Davebrad]

hope you are right about Boris, I do think he will be a good leader, but as to bringing parliament together to face the eu I don't know. What can he or whoever do to placidate this parliament? there's too many fractions wanting different things...

 

 

 

 

Boris is going to win the Tory election easily. He is at slight danger at the MP stage, but already has about 90 MPs known to be supporting him so should be OK. Once in office he is likely to seek compromise to unite the Tory Party and that will be a sufficient basis to handle the Parliamentary deadlock. If you look today at whose in the room at his launch, they come from both sides of the argument.

 

The Maybot has created an existential risk to the Tory party. But it is clear that Boris in leadership with a successful resolution to Brexit would have the Tory's back over 40% whilst Labour and the Lib Dems headbutt on 20 something. Hence there will be a coming together, the members of the party will vote him in by a country mile, and with difficulty we will get through to a successful Brexit solution.

 

Then Boris will focus on Corbyn et al. The Maybot has so little political skill, this communist, anti-semitic racist, and hater of everything UK and US, with a passion for commemorating acts of terrorism and terrorist organisations, will have the full spotlight applied to him. And about time.

 

The most important thing from the EU side is to get rid of the Maybot who can't resolve the Parliamentary problem. Once they see there is a genuine chance that a new PM can overcome Parliament they are likely to be prepared to negotiate further provided Ireland agrees. This is going to require some new ideas to improve the Maybot deal for both sides, not just throw it away. Too much work gone in to date, no matter how badly managed. On 1 November a new set of EC officials take office, and that is time for a fresh start on the trade negotiation side of this.