Black Friday?

[Bea Smith]

Nobody can really make an unbiased comment on if America is worse than here or not unless they've actually lived there. We live in the UK,we Watch State TV that feeds us propaganda saying how brilliant it is to be British, we learn how we were once the biggest nation on earth, and how nobody can match our scientific expertise. We hear it all the time.

 

And similarly, the yanks get fed with the same crap all the time as well. They have the freedom to do whatever they want, blah blah blah. They have the best armed forces in the world etc, when in reality, the only thing they have over Russia and China (who by the way, the US owe Trillions of $ to) is some nuclear aircraft carriers.

 

What I'm getting to, is there's no point trying to say your country is better because it is IMPOSSIBLE, to have a civilised discussion over it because the other person will never agree with you. Tell a North Korean that they actually have a **** life and they'd like it better in another country, and they won't believe you, they're brainwashed. As are we, as are the Americans

 

That all sounds logical, but I have to take issue with at least some of it.

 

1. I don't agree that you have to live somewhere to have an opinion on it. Obviously anyone who has extensively toured and maybe lived in many different locations in a country should be in a better position to comment on it than someone who hasn't been at all, but the us is rather different as there are so many polarised locations. Someone who has had 5 holidays at Disneyworld in Florida would have a fairly different view to someone else who just visited San Francisco or Seattle, and again if you went to New Orleans you might find it a bit at odds with a trip to Salt Lake City. i would point out that given their relative prosperity, the number of US citizens who have left their own country even for a holiday is really relatively very small.

 

2. I don't think anyone would argue that a couple of centuries ago, and for some hundreds of years, Britain vied with France and sometimes Spain but was generally considered the most powerful country on earth, or that the US is now the most powerful. But only an idiot would now say Britain was the most powerful - they might say 'best' but that is meaningless out of context. The US may have the most weapons - is this something to be proud of ?

 

3. Yes, they do owe China a teeny bit more than they might feel comfortable with, and have very little intention of paying it all back. The Chinese are not exactly stupid though and will have thought this through and some interesting times are ahead financially.

 

4. Even in semi-closed societies like NK, information abounds and not everyone there, maybe not even a majority will think it is the best country in the world. Not everyone here thinks we are, hence the call for change and the rise of UKIP - ask Carl, and that is not having a swipe at him.

 

5. Whilst I see where your brainwashing logic comes from, I suspect it is outdated by 20, 40, 50 or more years - it was true and it was a nationalistic thing in the mid-20th century and before, indeed it was this that saw the Japanese, French and americans all humiliated in Vietnam.

Now though, we have a world that is developing a different mindset - just as evil or just as good depending on your viewpoint but based on things other than just which country someone comes from. Easy to see this with the Taliban, Al Queda and now ISIS - and Sunni muslims and Shia muslims are spread across many countries. Communism never really crossed that bridge, and the US has hit problems in exporting its greed-based 'democracy' as for all its perceived gains in eastern Europe, South and Central American countries have freed themselves of US-based dictatorial governments. In other words, people will often judge their country by those in power at any one time rather than just be patriotic sheep. An unfortunate number of Americans on the right wing hate Obama so much that they wont support their president, something unthinkable a coupleof generations ago.

[Bea Smith]

Watching from afar it seems to have shamed the UK a little.

 

I never understood the crassnesss of it all even when I lived in the States. The day before is thanksgiving when people give thaanks for everything and the next day they trample over each other to get some end of stock clearance rubbish.

 

 

Shamed it a little ? Ive seen pigs better behave when their trough is filled after 3 days being empty.

I just hope the police who complained that Asda (walmart) and Tesco failed to provide proper security and called them out, thus exposing the rest of us to real crime (and using expensive and valuable resources), have to pay heavily financially for misusing public services for their profiteering scum-fest.

[For Us All]

Shamed it a little ? Ive seen pigs better behave when their trough is filled after 3 days being empty.

I just hope the police who complained that Asda (walmart) and Tesco failed to provide proper security and called them out, thus exposing the rest of us to real crime (and using expensive and valuable resources), have to pay heavily financially for misusing public services for their profiteering scum-fest.

 

I'm surprised H&S have not been involved in some of the incidents that have occurred,especially the mass overcrowding in some of the stores which must have exceeded customer limits?

[Bea Smith]

I'm surprised H&S have not been involved in some of the incidents that have occurred,especially the mass overcrowding in some of the stores which must have exceeded customer limits?

 

I know it sounds slightly less than kind, but wouldn't it be funny if most of the 140 inch tellies and garish electrical monstrosities that they fought over in rugby-style scrums were all broken and/or failed to work, but not covered by any guarantees, when they got them home.

[Paul6754]

That all sounds logical, but I have to take issue with at least some of it.

 

1. I don't agree that you have to live somewhere to have an opinion on it. Obviously anyone who has extensively toured and maybe lived in many different locations in a country should be in a better position to comment on it than someone who hasn't been at all, but the us is rather different as there are so many polarised locations. Someone who has had 5 holidays at Disneyworld in Florida would have a fairly different view to someone else who just visited San Francisco or Seattle, and again if you went to New Orleans you might find it a bit at odds with a trip to Salt Lake City. i would point out that given their relative prosperity, the number of US citizens who have left their own country even for a holiday is really relatively very small.

 

You don't have to have lived somewhere to have an opinion on a country but you do have to have lived somewhere for a considerable amount of time, many years not months, to have informed and remotely realistic opinions. You should spend a few weeks in middle America, not Disney Land, not Vegas, not San Fran., not NYC etc and then perhaps you may begin to see America and its people in a totally different light.

[Tone]

“I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear.” Martin Luther King

[Yukon]

Switzerland has the best watches, Russia the best chess players, Britain the best music, Italy the best clothes. So what is so important about basketball in the grand scale of off-topic dross? And who the hell is James Harden ? If that is the best you can do to show that the us is a worthy country, it is a pretty sad effort.

 

Are you on crack!?! And I mean every post, your ranting is really bizarre

[Howjy04]

Haha, I've been trying to buy things online but its impossible, many website servers were killed in the making of black Friday it seems

 

4 o'clock in the morning worked TV.;)

[carl]

Are you on crack!?! And I mean every post, your ranting is really bizarre

 

How long did it take you to Edit a thirteen word sentence? Did you have to consider what was the most venomous and poisonous post?

 

You really are a piece of excruciating work.

[carl]

You don't have to have lived somewhere to have an opinion on a country but you do have to have lived somewhere for a considerable amount of time, many years not months, to have informed and remotely realistic opinions. You should spend a few weeks in middle America, not Disney Land, not Vegas, not San Fran., not NYC etc and then perhaps you may begin to see America and its people in a totally different light.

 

You could actually use that analogy for the UK. Many who have never been to the UK think that someone from the UK is usually wealthy for instance, without acknowledging or knowing that large parts of the UK, are actually living in poverty.

[Bea Smith]

Are you on crack!?! And I mean every post, your ranting is really bizarre

 

Talk is cheap and meaningless, especially yours. But what I saw on the way those creatures 'behaved' at the black Friday sales (which is what this thread is about), you should be asking what they are on. Greed and selfishness, are far more potent than any drug. Amazing there were no fatalities, as there were in the US 94 dead, 96 seriously injured in the last 7 years) at Black Friday scrums.

 

 

Just for your records I don't take any drugs, unless you include about 3 pints a week and maybe a glass of wine at the weekend.

 

Your own posts have sometimes left me wondering, especially the attempts to belittle some peoples politics you don't agree with, remember everyone's vote will count the same next year whether you scoff at the voter or not.

 

I'm done with this now, and will enjoy the football hopefully. You should try to do the same.

[bookworm]

I think you may have got your ba11s mixed up,don't you mean netball?

 

you are right of course it was netball, a senior moment,rounders was baseball,it was late ,i was tired the keyboard was to blame, ,retires to a darkened room to contemplate my shortcomings:blushing2:::ewd age,:

[For Us All]

you are right of course it was netball, a senior moment,rounders was baseball,it was late ,i was tired the keyboard was to blame, ,retires to a darkened room to contemplate my shortcomings:blushing2:::ewd age,:

 

No worries,I often have the same moments.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Nonsense. 20th century onwards, plenty of countries like Sweden, Norway, Holland, Switzerland, and loads of others have done nothing wrong to their people -

 

When did this get restricted t0 20th century onwards? If you re using criteria in your arguments do us a favour and let us know in advance

 

 

a system of politics or a culture or a ruling elite can do things to its people, but not a nation. You know this though.

 

Are the leaders etc not from that nation? Surely you know that?

 

It is the system and culture of self-obsessed me-first us that I detest, and their determination to spread it to every corner of the globe from Ukraine to the South pacific.

 

I detest that too..as do millions of Americans

 

We are in danger of being swamped by this

 

Only if we want to be and so let it happen as a people

 

but look at the difference between the UK where the NHS 9despite its problems) is generally perceived to be a good thing, but in the us Obamacare or any kind of NHS-type system are seen as a socialist evil, which is because they are so scared that a tiny amount of their greedily-exploited money might be spent on someone who needs or deserves it.

 

I'm no expert on US healthcare but I do know it's not as mercenary as it's often made out to be

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Oh, Houston we have a problem do we ? If you don't wish people to read and therefore potentially comment on your reply, send it in private. It's an open forum, I know where you are now that you think you can dictate to people but that doesn't apply to me. Have a nice Black Friday, don't forget your cheeseburger and soda.

 

You should at least take into account the context of the post..which you didb't. He wasn;t trying to make any point

 

The best music in the world is and always will be American cos the great original American rock n roll and blues artists will never be bettered