14 minutes ago, PVFCSVA said:

100% agree. I’m in Lorne Street. Dogs abuse for Darren as he went down the tunnel then applaud the lads off who failed to defend a cross and missed a hatful of chances

Don’t think the players deserved a clap necessarily but the frustration and blame is aimed the correct way. His tactics are letting the players down. I am positive that they are better than this and a better manager would get more out of them by playing them in positions that actually suit them.

Garrity is not a holding midfielder.

John is not a wing back

Paton is not a winger/no.10

I would even throw in Headley who has only played well as a winger this season. I don’t think he’s a wing back personally as he is defensively not good enough.

Cole spends most of his time out wide battling for the ball. We’re not using him properly at all. On throw ins he was down the line battling for the ball. The few times he managed to win something, he was not where you wanted him to be. He should be in the box. It’s no wonder Croasdale is usually on the end of all our chances if our strikers are trying to win headers from throws down the line.
 

Surely you make the wide centre half take the throw (not the wing back), have Garrity, our best header on the pitch at the time, down the line with the pacey wing back overlapping to win a flick on. The midfielders supporting inside for short throws or knock downs, allowing our STRIKER who is actually a PROVEN GOALSCORER to stay in and around the box. Cole had one good chance all game and although he should have done better with it he should be allowed the opportunity to have more of those chances because he will bag goals.

And that’s just the starting XI. As soon as the subs were made and chaos reigned his let’s just shove everyone on approach was baffling. 

Why hasn’t he gone yet.

Edited November 23, 2025Nov 23 by PV1993

3 minutes ago, PV1993 said:

Don’t think the players deserved a clap necessarily but the frustration and blame is aimed the correct way. His tactics are letting the players down. I am positive that they are better than this and a better manager would get more out of them by playing them in positions that actually suit them.

Garrity is not a holding midfielder.

John is not a wing back

Paton is not a winger/no.10

I would even throw in Hadley who has only played well as a winger this season. I don’t think he’s a wing back personally as he is defensively not good enough.

Cole spends most of his time out wide battling for the ball. We’re not using him properly at all. On throw ins he was down the line battling for the ball. The few times he managed to win something, he was not where you wanted him to be. He should be in the box. It’s no wonder Croasdale is usually on the end of all our chances if our strikers are trying to win headers from throws down the line.
 

Surely you made the wide centre half take the throw (not the wing back), have Garrity, our best header on the pitch at the time, down the line with the pacey wing back overlapping to win a flick on. The midfielders supporting inside for short throws or knock downs, allowing our STRIKER who is actually a PROVEN GOALSCORER to stay in and around the box. Cole had one good chance all game and although he should have done better with it he should be allowed the opportunity to have more of those chances because he will bag goals.

And that’s just the starting XI. As soon as the subs were made and chaos reigned his let’s just shove everyone on approach was baffling. 

Why hasn’t he gone yet.

Definitely something in this.  When your only means of attack is wing-backs, then it is inevitable that forwards will be drawn out wide to get involved in the play.  We need Rico back to give us something different around the opposition box.

12 minutes ago, PV1993 said:

Don’t think the players deserved a clap necessarily but the frustration and blame is aimed the correct way. His tactics are letting the players down. I am positive that they are better than this and a better manager would get more out of them by playing them in positions that actually suit them.

Garrity is not a holding midfielder.

John is not a wing back

Paton is not a winger/no.10

I would even throw in Headley who has only played well as a winger this season. I don’t think he’s a wing back personally as he is defensively not good enough.

Cole spends most of his time out wide battling for the ball. We’re not using him properly at all. On throw ins he was down the line battling for the ball. The few times he managed to win something, he was not where you wanted him to be. He should be in the box. It’s no wonder Croasdale is usually on the end of all our chances if our strikers are trying to win headers from throws down the line.
 

Surely you make the wide centre half take the throw (not the wing back), have Garrity, our best header on the pitch at the time, down the line with the pacey wing back overlapping to win a flick on. The midfielders supporting inside for short throws or knock downs, allowing our STRIKER who is actually a PROVEN GOALSCORER to stay in and around the box. Cole had one good chance all game and although he should have done better with it he should be allowed the opportunity to have more of those chances because he will bag goals.

And that’s just the starting XI. As soon as the subs were made and chaos reigned his let’s just shove everyone on approach was baffling. 

Why hasn’t he gone yet.

Paton did have some great chances. More than 1. Tolaj - one chance one goal. I’m starting question if the players are good enough you know. 

6 minutes ago, BlytheValiant said:

Definitely something in this.  When your only means of attack is wing-backs, then it is inevitable that forwards will be drawn out wide to get involved in the play.  We need Rico back to give us something different around the opposition box.

For me, this was the most bizarre decision and got my alarm bells ringing pretty much before a ball had been kicked - why on earth contract the lad, be seen on social media saying this division would suit him, and then immediately loan him out to the red basket cases down the road - the only mitigating factor is that if personal reasons developed, in which case, fair play to DM 

All this really grieves me, I really believe DM is hiding a fair manager underneath his stubbornness - must be wearing my misty glasses this morning 🙈🙈🙈, as others have pointed out, apparently we have lost a few coaches this season and may be that is having an effect, but its frightening how close we are to following the same path of a couple of years ago - id wager now that we end up with less points and goals scored come the end of season - that is worrying

How does your main striker not stick this away. 

off the pitch the work the owners are doing is incredible. but have they taken the club as far as they can on it?  carol keeps saying when we lose we learn. but this mistake is happening time and time again of not acting IMMEDIATELY. he has to go now. the football is a disaster and tbh has been since he came to the club bar about 2 matches. 

 

im definately in the moore out camp after that now.  the attendances are going to plummet like the titanic from now without action.

 

56 minutes ago, PV1993 said:

Don’t think the players deserved a clap necessarily but the frustration and blame is aimed the correct way. His tactics are letting the players down. I am positive that they are better than this and a better manager would get more out of them by playing them in positions that actually suit them.

Garrity is not a holding midfielder.

John is not a wing back

Paton is not a winger/no.10

I would even throw in Headley who has only played well as a winger this season. I don’t think he’s a wing back personally as he is defensively not good enough.

Cole spends most of his time out wide battling for the ball. We’re not using him properly at all. On throw ins he was down the line battling for the ball. The few times he managed to win something, he was not where you wanted him to be. He should be in the box. It’s no wonder Croasdale is usually on the end of all our chances if our strikers are trying to win headers from throws down the line.
 

Surely you make the wide centre half take the throw (not the wing back), have Garrity, our best header on the pitch at the time, down the line with the pacey wing back overlapping to win a flick on. The midfielders supporting inside for short throws or knock downs, allowing our STRIKER who is actually a PROVEN GOALSCORER to stay in and around the box. Cole had one good chance all game and although he should have done better with it he should be allowed the opportunity to have more of those chances because he will bag goals.

And that’s just the starting XI. As soon as the subs were made and chaos reigned his let’s just shove everyone on approach was baffling. 

Why hasn’t he gone yet.

Good post mate.

The confidence of the players is shot.

The players are much better than they have been showing and I firmly believe a different approach wins us games.

I maybe daft  but I still think we have the bones of decent L1 team. At this point it’s the managers inability to do anything different than his boring and ineffective plan a.

A new voice, new ideas and a coherent attacking plan is needed and has been for several weeks.

DM OUT

Edited November 23, 2025Nov 23 by MBE

Carol completely negligent then. A disgrace. 

5 minutes ago, RayWalkers40yarder said:

im definately in the moore out camp after that now.  the attendances are going to plummet like the titanic from now without action.

The thing is, we probably dont get that many walk ups anyway, most of our home attendance in theory is made up of ST holders, assuming they turn up

So in terms of matchday revenues, its the ancillaries that will suffer most for the rest of the season if everyone stays away in droves - ie food, drink and club shop sales - it may well be that those up above will take this on the chin and persevere with the rubbish we watch every week, and then have another DM reset next season 

If that happens, id wager ST sales will plummet - I will be honest, I gave up my ST when we were moved from the Bycars as personally it was a nightmare trying to get it sorted and I really didnt want to move (in fairness I think I was the odd one out), but even though it costs me more over the season to watch and purchase "stuff", I feel better as sometimes I just CBA and dont then feel guilty about not using said ST

We dont know how much it will cost to remove DM, and for all everyone keeps saying it, we dont know if the contract is rolling - as I said the other week, if the cookie jar is empty, we are stuck with - and how many of us if we were CS would be willing to pump more of our own personal wealth down the drain

 

13 minutes ago, MBE said:

The players are much better than they have been showing and I firmly believe a different approach wins us games.

I maybe daft  but I still think we have the bones of decent L1 team. At this point it’s the managers inability to do anything different than his boring and ineffective plan a.

Theres not many that would disagree with that MBE 👍👍

3 minutes ago, MBE said:

Good post mate.

The confidence of the players is shot.

The players are much better than they have been showing and I firmly believe a different approach wins us games.

I maybe daft  but I still think we have the bones of decent L1 team. At this point it’s the managers inability to do anything different than his boring and ineffective plan a.

A new voice, new issues and a coherent attacking plan is needed and has been for several weeks.

DM OUT

The confidence issue is a huge part of the problem with the performance of the team right now.  Losing becomes a habit, as they say.  At the moment we can’t buy a goal so we’re unlikely to pick up a win.  Our players will know this and so do our opponents.  The question is, can DM and his staff inspire the players?  We need a run of wins rather than just one or two.  The longer this goes on, which sadly seems inevitable, the harder it’ll be for any new manager to address.

1 minute ago, Hoppers said:

The thing is, we probably dont get that many walk ups anyway, most of our home attendance in theory is made up of ST holders, assuming they turn up

So in terms of matchday revenues, its the ancillaries that will suffer most for the rest of the season if everyone stays away in droves - ie food, drink and club shop sales - it may well be that those up above will take this on the chin and persevere with the rubbish we watch every week, and then have another DM reset next season 

If that happens, id wager ST sales will plummet - I will be honest, I gave up my ST when we were moved from the Bycars as personally it was a nightmare trying to get it sorted and I really didnt want to move (in fairness I think I was the odd one out), but even though it costs me more over the season to watch and purchase "stuff", I feel better as sometimes I just CBA and dont then feel guilty about not using said ST

We dont know how much it will cost to remove DM, and for all everyone keeps saying it, we dont know if the contract is rolling - as I said the other week, if the cookie jar is empty, we are stuck with - and how many of us if we were CS would be willing to pump more of our own personal wealth down the drain

 

I didn't want to move from the Bycars either, after 20+ years in there it was a community, I spoke to other fans without ever knowing their names. Now I sit in the Lorne Street and feel like I am in a scene from Sliding Doors sometimes. Someone mentioned a disconnect from the fans and it sums it up well.

1 hour ago, PV1993 said:

Don’t think the players deserved a clap necessarily but the frustration and blame is aimed the correct way. His tactics are letting the players down. I am positive that they are better than this and a better manager would get more out of them by playing them in positions that actually suit them.

Garrity is not a holding midfielder.

John is not a wing back

Paton is not a winger/no.10

I would even throw in Headley who has only played well as a winger this season. I don’t think he’s a wing back personally as he is defensively not good enough.

Cole spends most of his time out wide battling for the ball. We’re not using him properly at all. On throw ins he was down the line battling for the ball. The few times he managed to win something, he was not where you wanted him to be. He should be in the box. It’s no wonder Croasdale is usually on the end of all our chances if our strikers are trying to win headers from throws down the line.
 

Surely you make the wide centre half take the throw (not the wing back), have Garrity, our best header on the pitch at the time, down the line with the pacey wing back overlapping to win a flick on. The midfielders supporting inside for short throws or knock downs, allowing our STRIKER who is actually a PROVEN GOALSCORER to stay in and around the box. Cole had one good chance all game and although he should have done better with it he should be allowed the opportunity to have more of those chances because he will bag goals.

And that’s just the starting XI. As soon as the subs were made and chaos reigned his let’s just shove everyone on approach was baffling. 

Why hasn’t he gone yet.

100% agree.

Yesterday we saw all these failings in glorious in HD……the same stupid 3-5-2 formation which hasn’t worked for weeks; a non-functioning midfield bereft of energy, guile or creativity; only sporadic moments of creativity from wide areas; CB’s who don’t know what to do on the ball so invariably result in hoofing it; the inevitable mistake at the back; the chaotic sub’s that bizarrely take your best marksman out of the box and into wide/deeper areas; Gauci’s goalkicks which he seems to now consistently drag wide - why?

And so on, I’m sure there are more. 

Just beggars belief really that we can’t get the basics right.

I agree that I think it’s too late. We’ve had over a third of the season, are cut adrift and it’s getting to the point where we need play-off form for the remainder of the season. Ain’t happening I’m afraid.

Edited November 23, 2025Nov 23 by Biddulph_PV

1 hour ago, PV1993 said:

Don’t think the players deserved a clap necessarily but the frustration and blame is aimed the correct way. His tactics are letting the players down. I am positive that they are better than this and a better manager would get more out of them by playing them in positions that actually suit them.

Garrity is not a holding midfielder.

John is not a wing back

Paton is not a winger/no.10

I would even throw in Headley who has only played well as a winger this season. I don’t think he’s a wing back personally as he is defensively not good enough.

Cole spends most of his time out wide battling for the ball. We’re not using him properly at all. On throw ins he was down the line battling for the ball. The few times he managed to win something, he was not where you wanted him to be. He should be in the box. It’s no wonder Croasdale is usually on the end of all our chances if our strikers are trying to win headers from throws down the line.
 

Surely you make the wide centre half take the throw (not the wing back), have Garrity, our best header on the pitch at the time, down the line with the pacey wing back overlapping to win a flick on. The midfielders supporting inside for short throws or knock downs, allowing our STRIKER who is actually a PROVEN GOALSCORER to stay in and around the box. Cole had one good chance all game and although he should have done better with it he should be allowed the opportunity to have more of those chances because he will bag goals.

And that’s just the starting XI. As soon as the subs were made and chaos reigned his let’s just shove everyone on approach was baffling. 

Why hasn’t he gone yet.

You've made some really good points here.

I'm beginning to dislike Garrity although he was better yesterday. I also dug out John yesterday, he's began to annoy me, offers nothing. 

But the crux of the matter is it's good players being made worse by baffling tactics and square pegs in round holes.

Curtis is another, never felt like he's ever fitted at Vale. This bloke is proven to contribute assists and a few goals. Again out of position and alienated. Probably feels as down as he has in his career , ACL injury aside.

This is all on the manager and recruitment. 

The last couple of weeks has done it for me. Debrah at wing back should have resulted in an immediate sacking. Then again yesterday Curtis shovelled in at LWB.

And let's make no bones about it , Plymouth were an absolutely terrible side. There for the taking. Even with our disgraceful goals output that game was there for a resounding win.

He's destroyed players confidence and probably finished some of them off as a Vale player.

The fact folk are raging and perplexed that he's still in situ reflects terribly on the ownership of the club.

I think we're done and dusted anyway but at least give a new bloke 2/3 of a season to resurrect something. 

What's wrong that our owners can't see the blindingly obvious. 

The whole experience drains you. Mind numbing predictable rubbish.

Moore out NOW. 

9 minutes ago, Biddulph_PV said:

100% agree.

Yesterday we saw all these failings in glorious in HD……the same stupid 3-5-2 formation which hasn’t worked for weeks; a non-functioning midfield bereft of energy, guile or creativity; only sporadic moments of creativity from wide areas; CB’s who don’t know what to do on the ball so invariably result in hoofing it; the inevitable mistake at the back; the chaotic sub’s that bizarrely take your best marksman out of the box out in the box and into wide/deeper areas; Gauci’s goalkicks which he seems to now consistently drag wide - why?

And so on, I’m sure there are more. 

Just beggars belief really that we can’t get the basics right.

I agree that I think it’s too late. We’ve had over a third of the season, are cut adrift and it’s getting to the point where we need play-off form for the remainder of the season. Ain’t happening I’m afraid.

Its not so much that we are massive points off, but more that others have the games in hand, which if they are at the bottom end, chances are they wont all win them - having said that we are the only ones who dont seem to be turning the corner (or even scoring from one 😁)

yesterday was massive, win that and we almost had our heads above water), but, a couple of wins against the right opponents, and all is not lost

I know I cant see it happening, but iv done enough moaning the last 20 odd hours

The only players emerging with tonnes of Kudos are Funso - written off by and sundry, but consistently gives his all, and George Hall who ran his socks off.

Unfair digging out Kylie as he like Curtis is not a wingback - might as well play Gucci upfront and then moan he doesnt score many (oh god I hope I havent given DM an idea here)

 

Edited November 23, 2025Nov 23 by Hoppers