Carol Shanahan.

[Bimbleabout]

Even tho a pie is one of our national dishes, what we accept for pies is generally pretty dismal

[TJHValiant]

21 minutes ago, Vale Ball said:

 

 

You don't run a business as successful as Synectics if you are no good........



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It’s a medium sized local business. You make it sound like she is Branson or somebody, the latter lest we forget has lost billions on failed businesses. 

[philpvfc]

57 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

To appoint someone better qualified than yourself into a role and delegate responsibility is not poor leadership and is perfectly normal in any business.  The problem is that Flitcroft has been able to manipulate Carol from day one, being interviewed as a potential manager the club suddenly adopts a completely new DoF model with him as that DoF.  Bingo!  Our initial success and the galvanising effect it had no doubt clouded people’s judgement.  Clearly Flitcroft was a grade A waffler full of management speak and that possibly appealed to Carol, who knows, but she clearly rated the guy, hence that crazy letter.

 

Agree, but Carol should take some blame, Flitcroft was possibly right, she may well need a DOF, but she should have taken his advice and then gone through a process of getting the best DOF available. Crosby should not have been given the job without a thorough recruitment process and if still the best man available then fair enough. The same applies when Moore got the job, I can’t but help feel he got the job on the back end of the supporters vote where the biggest majority were calling for him. She must have experience of recruiting, you don’t have a business the size of hers without having a good recruitment policy. It seems that anyone who can win her over gets the job. 

[Diego Maradona]

1 hour ago, soothsayer said:

Two decades of under investment? I’d say it’s closer to five but you’re spot on about VP being a money pit.

In an ideal world we should move to a new build stadium with a 12k capacity similar to Rotherham. If our our useless City council got involved, it could also become a proper ‘community stadium’. 

Or do what the Milan clubs do?🪖🤪🤪🤪

[philpvfc]

18 minutes ago, TJHValiant said:

It’s a medium sized local business. You make it sound like she is Branson or somebody, the latter lest we forget has lost billions on failed businesses. 

It’s a pretty decent size company with profits of nearly 2.5 million.

[Diego Maradona]

20 minutes ago, Bimbleabout said:

Even tho a pie is one of our national dishes, what we accept for pies is generally pretty dismal

Definitely need to sort out 'Piegate' and 'The Great Pie Debacle of 2023-24'.

[valeparklife]

She's cocked up massively.

To put this right:

1. She needs to write another letter to the fans, apologising.
2. She needs to write a massive transfer warchest cheque from her own money to fund a promotion winning side. She's caused this, not the fans who saw these issues a mile off.
3. She needs to get a real manager in.

 

[WV]

The idea that she was hoodwinked by Flitcroft is laughable. Mental gymnastics to absolve her of any blame is straining. 

[Santa]

Apologies don’t interest me.

The blame game doesn’t interest me either, unless we’re taking learnings from it.

They're all as pointless and empty as all the platitudes and the patting ourselves on the back under Flitcroft.

All I want to see is a coherent plan going forward to put the horse back before the cart and be a well run and sustainable football club.

[Jim Gammon]

1 hour ago, JohnJames said:

I’ve seen a post on X from a Boro fan who loved being in the Bycars as the view was excellent but he proper slagged off the pies. Away fans are more likely to buy hot food but once they see the pasty pastry and slop. They won’t buy another!

Never understood why they don’t just sell oatcakes instead of pies. Mind…they need to prep em quicker 

[Guitar Ray]

11 minutes ago, philpvfc said:

Agree, but Carol should take some blame, Flitcroft was possibly right, she may well need a DOF, but she should have taken his advice and then gone through a process of getting the best DOF available. Crosby should not have been given the job without a thorough recruitment process and if still the best man available then fair enough. The same applies when Moore got the job, I can’t but help feel he got the job on the back end of the supporters vote where the biggest majority were calling for him. She must have experience of recruiting, you don’t have a business the size of hers without having a good recruitment policy. It seems that anyone who can win her over gets the job. 

Nobody is saying the owners are beyond criticism, far from it.  No escaping the fact though that the DoF should shoulder the bulk of the blame for our current situation.

Without knowing the full facts it appears that when discussing the managers position with Flitcroft the DoF pathway came up and obviously he sold himself to Carol that he was the best available candidate and so ends up with that job on a part-time basis.  I think it’s on record he said he wasn’t interested in the full time managers job due to business commitments.  So he’s effectively “advised” Carol into giving him the DoF job which eventually ends up being full time anyway.

In terms of the managerial recruitment then that’s on Flitcroft, as the man responsible for all things football.  He gets the plaudits for appointing Clarke, equally should be castigated when Crosby fails, although for me a massive part of that failure was the weaknesses in the squad and recruitment based around playing a rigid style, the jury is out on Moore until he’s working with his own squad of players.  It’s the DoF’s job to recruit the manager and Carol has 2 choices, trust her DoF or ignore him and go her own way, which is hint going to happen.

Sadly, we’re having a conversation which would’ve been so different had our ex-DoF managed to add a couple of capable strikers at some point over 3 transfer windows.  Turn a couple of this seasons losses or draws into wins and we’d be safe and looking to improve again in League 1.

[Guitar Ray]

1 minute ago, Jim Gammon said:

Never understood why they don’t just sell oatcakes instead of pies. Mind…they need to prep em quicker 

Oatcakes are available in the fanzone.

[Jim Gammon]

7 minutes ago, Guitar Ray said:

Oatcakes are available in the fanzone.

I know but they are a long wait. I missed the start of the Boro game waiting for mine. 

[Jim Gammon]

Just now, Jim Gammon said:

I know but they are a long wait. I missed the start of the Boro game waiting for mine. 

Fanzone will be a lot quieter next season

[valeparklife]

22 minutes ago, Santa said:

Apologies don’t interest me.

The blame game doesn’t interest me either, unless we’re taking learnings from it.

They're all as pointless and empty as all the platitudes and the patting ourselves on the back under Flitcroft.

All I want to see is a coherent plan going forward to put the horse back before the cart and be a well run and sustainable football club.

She still needs to recognise her mistakes. An apology would do that to reverse this statement:

"I have made several mistakes as owner of Port Vale. Appointing Dave Flitcroft was not one of them".