Reading (A) match thread - Jan 13th

[Lornelounger]

10 minutes ago, pvfc1994 said:

Both BBC Sport and Sky Sports News reporting that the fixture will be replayed one midweek in the future. 

Reading manager is saying they were in total control before the pitch invasion, we should have had a red card and they should have had a penalty? 

Reading manager wins the "Deluded Fool of the Month" Award for January in that case. Bovine scatology designed to deflect attention to the fact that his club is in a mess.  Poor chap.

[Nippy Naylor]

4 minutes ago, ian foster said:

I'm fuming cost me and my family a fortune today. There were 6 of us and we are staying overnight.

Always support a club that's been ill treated due to bad ownership but make your point and move on they have crossed the line today and I hope we receive the 3 points as what's the deterrent?

Any protest should be staged either before or after a match. Not during there fans defo crossed the line today , imo .

[smithie]

1 hour ago, ginge said:

What would you have liked them to do?

They could and should have cleared the pitch. For reasons unknown they chose not to. They literally let the Reading fans freely run onto the pitch. Everyone knew it was going to happen so it's inconceivable the club and police didn't. This was a few hundred fed-up Reading fans, NOT 5000 hooligans intent on disorder.

The police have failed Reading and Vale today. They were absolutely useless and it begs the question...what exactly was the point of them being there? 

[efsb]

[Bimbleabout]

Any protest should be staged either before or after a match. Not during there fans defo crossed the line today , imo .

Yep the reading fans literally didn't give a shix about hard working Vale fans giving up their Saturday and paying thru the nose to go watch their team

[efsb]

Does “Club members” include supporters?

[Diego Maradona]

Have there been any precedents set in the past based on any similar circumstances (pitch invasions by fans) or is this a first? 
Could it be that we get the 3 points?

[Sam Kelly's Left Boot]

12 minutes ago, pvfc1994 said:

Both BBC Sport and Sky Sports News reporting that the fixture will be replayed one midweek in the future. 

Should be played at Vale, make Reading do the midweek travelling. 

[JRC]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/383903/manchester-united-profit-loss/

The way it currently works at Man Utd is they now make a loss every year. Provided the revenue increases each year the Glazers can secure additional bank loans. They then use the bank loans to pay themselves more dividends. No idea why Jim Radcliffe (a pretty competent business man) has got involved as he has no real control. So their model is to keep squeezing more and more money out of fans. Provided they can do that they can pay themselves more and more money. The top clubs are effectively marketing and merchandising businesses which happen to play football.  Results on the pitch and even profit are secondary to increasing revenue so owners can take out ever more money.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/05/glazer-family-manchester-united-sale-jim-ratcliffe

[Nippy Naylor]

3 minutes ago, efsb said:

The Vale should be nailed on to be rewarded with the 3 points, then.

[Bimbleabout]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/383903/manchester-united-profit-loss/
The way it currently works at Man Utd is they now make a loss every year. Provided the revenue increases each year the Glazers can secure additional bank loans. They then use the bank loans to pay themselves more dividends. No idea why Jim Radcliffe (a pretty competent business man) has got involved as he has no real control. So their model is to keep squeezing more and more money out of fans. Provided they can do that they can pay themselves more and more money. The top clubs are effectively marketing and merchandising businesses which happen to play football.  Results on the pitch and even profit are secondary to increasing revenue so owners can take out ever more money.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/05/glazer-family-manchester-united-sale-jim-ratcliffe

Heard it quoted at a billion they've squeezed out of man u

[Lornelounger]

1 minute ago, Diego Maradona said:

Have there been any precedents set in the past based on any similar circumstances (pitch invasions by fans) or is this a first? 
Could it be that we get the 3 points?

I'd be staggered if the EFL made an example of Reading in this way, given what little I have seen of the regs.  They maintain the points must be decided on the pitch - though there seems to be nothing about compensating the inconvenienced team and its fans as far as I can see.  Maybe they will fine Reading, or deduct more points, but I just don't see them giving Vale 3 points - it opens up a real can of worms for the other clubs affected mid season.

[JRC]

Just now, Bimbleabout said:

2 minutes ago, JRC said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/383903/manchester-united-profit-loss/
The way it currently works at Man Utd is they now make a loss every year. Provided the revenue increases each year the Glazers can secure additional bank loans. They then use the bank loans to pay themselves more dividends. No idea why Jim Radcliffe (a pretty competent business man) has got involved as he has no real control. So their model is to keep squeezing more and more money out of fans. Provided they can do that they can pay themselves more and more money. The top clubs are effectively marketing and merchandising businesses which happen to play football.  Results on the pitch and even profit are secondary to increasing revenue so owners can take out ever more money.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/05/glazer-family-manchester-united-sale-jim-ratcliffe

Heard it quoted at a billion they've squeezed out of man u

The club had no debt, so they took out a loan in the first year to pay themselves a special dividend equivalent to the purchase price.

[CambridgeDon]

25 minutes ago, Lornelounger said:

Dunno if this sheds any light - the precedent of Blackpool and Huddersfield.   In this case, it was an end of season match, and the EFL said no replay. Had a look at the EFL regs online, and they are labyrinthine and not easy to navigate.

What happens when a football match gets abandoned? - Lexology

WWW.LEXOLOGY.COM

 

That’s a good read, LL. It seems the general principle that the football authorities prefer to see the result of a game settled on the pitch rather than by their decision. So the odds are, imho, that they will order a replay, charge Reading and then refer the matter to their Disciplinary Committee for adjudication.

They do though have a problem in the precedent this might set if the offending club, in this case Reading, win any replay as the fans of other teams might think they can gain an advantage from a losing position in a critical game. I would assume, therefore, that the punishment would be so severe (eg a huge points deduction) that any attempts to get games abandoned would be totally disincentivised.

Reading are in for some serious punishment. 

[Lornelounger]

2 minutes ago, Nippy Naylor said:

The Vale should be nailed on to be rewarded with the 3 points, then.

I think team and club members means players and officials (like the Turkish president who ran on the pitch to assault the ref).  Fans are neither, so I don't think we'll get three points unfortunately.