Brexit again...

[For Us All]

13 hours ago, tommytunstall said:

Yes it is so predictable as I posted last month the USA deal is a smokescree, to enable Billy Liar to satisfy his RW backers and obtain a No deal. 

The only thing that's a smokescreen is the Irish backstop,loved and created by the EU.

[For Us All]

20 hours ago, Regal Beagle said:

Can't sorry mate, didn't you hear? All our medication is going to stop in october.

 

It must be sad hearing the US president saying that we're going to have a great trade deal (especically when you bizarrely love trade deals so much) and think it's bad news.

Almost as if it never was about trade and the economy.

The Remainers seem outraged that we might do a trade deal with our closest ally instead of their beloved EU.

I don't think think their car crash,cliff edge mantra is hitting home?

[Fosse69]

3 minutes ago, For Us All said:

The Remainers seem outraged that we might do a trade deal with our closest ally instead of their beloved EU.

I don't think think their car crash,cliff edge mantra is hitting home?

Like Johnson telling porkies about pork pies, good deal that

[For Us All]

1 hour ago, Fosse69 said:

Like Johnson telling porkies about pork pies, good deal that

Don't  blame Bojo,he was only quoting the firm's export executive Henry Bowles who said "Exports currently account for less than 1% of our annual turnover,with small shipments being sent to Iceland,Thailand,Singapore and the Caribbean."

Don't mess with this pork pie it's protected by European Law?😲

[Fosse69]

Nice to know it gets onto a world forum with very little to talk about, who would want to eat a frozen pie in any case, especially instead of a Thai meal..

[Jacko51]

2 hours ago, For Us All said:

The only thing that's a smokescreen is the Irish backstop,loved and created by the EU.

I don't get all this palaver about the backstop.  Varadker and the EU don't want a hard border.  The UK doesn't want a hard border.  Barmy Boris has told us that there is fantastic technology on the way which will obviate the need for a hard border.  If he is right, then the backstop will never come into effect.  Why all the fuss?

[Paul6754]

I don't either, so the UK doesn't put a hard border in place and leaves the border as it currently is but Ireland/EU introduces a hard border  then who's to blame for breaking the Good Friday Agreement.

Where does that leave Pelosi's statement (which I consider a disgrace) viz any UK/USA trade deal.

[Fosse69]

3 minutes ago, Paul6754 said:

I don't either, so the UK doesn't put a hard border in place and leaves the border as it currently is but Ireland/EU introduces a hard border  then who's to blame for breaking the Good Friday Agreement.

Where does that leave Pelosi's statement (which I consider a disgrace) viz any UK/USA trade deal.

WTO requirement, whoever changes the status quo is the instigator of the requirement.

[geosname]

54 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

Nice to know it gets onto a world forum with very little to talk about, who would want to eat a frozen pie in any case, especially instead of a Thai meal..

Thais don't do pies.... the amount of meat in a standard pork pie would feed a family.... Thais tend to eat a lot of meat but in small portions.... a small pinch of meat a large pinch of herbs and veg and a lump of sticky rice.

[geosname]

58 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

I don't get all this palaver about the backstop.  Varadker and the EU don't want a hard border.  The UK doesn't want a hard border.  Barmy Boris has told us that there is fantastic technology on the way which will obviate the need for a hard border.  If he is right, then the backstop will never come into effect.  Why all the fuss?

It's the sword of Damocles. 

[geosname]

35 minutes ago, Fosse69 said:

WTO requirement, whoever changes the status quo is the instigator of the requirement.

Does that mean the USA are partly to blame for feeding money to the ira? 

I don't think the status quo is altered if there is no boarder so whoever builds the hard boarder makes the changes

[Fosse69]

3 minutes ago, geosname said:

Thais don't do pies.... the amount of meat in a standard pork pie would feed a family.... Thais tend to eat a lot of meat but in small portions.... a small pinch of meat a large pinch of herbs and veg and a lump of sticky rice.

I could  only imagine it as a ex-pat market, like oatcakes to South Africa. 

[Fosse69]

4 minutes ago, geosname said:

Does that mean the USA are partly to blame for feeding money to the ira? 

I don't think the status quo is altered if there is no boarder so whoever builds the hard boarder makes the changes

Only the status quo of market/customs is being changed, nothing to do with sovereignty.

[TheSage]

I do wish some on here would weigh up the evidence, examine the facts and adopt a logical stance instead of stubbornly claiming that a No deal Brexit will be good for us. Brexit is disastrous enough but a No deal is sheer lunacy. Otherwise, why would we be spending billions of pounds trying to mitigate the consequences? 

Just at a basic level, how much more do you think it costs to import something from the US compared to Calais? How fresher do you think food would be? Well? Just a thought. I don't think any of you understand economics and the crucial significance of trading with your closest partners. Look it up. It used to be called the gravity principle. That's why 2/3 of America's biggest trading partners border the US - Mexico and Canada. It's stupid to pretend that trading with countries thousands of miles away will be better and cheaper than Ireland or France. But I guess common sense and the laws of economics count for nothing in this post fact world that Brexiteers inhabit.

It will damage our economy. It will reduce our global influence in the world. it will make families poorer. It will harm our trade. It will hamper our security services. It will put at risk peace in Ireland. It will lead to Scotland pressing to leave the UK. There is not one, not one, single logical reason why we should leave such a successful organisation and one that all other countries around the world would love to join. 

 

                                                                                                              

 

Apart from Johnson's latest pack of lies, back in the real world I see today that nearly 100 UK companies have moved to the Netherlands to remain inside the EU, and a further 325 are considering joining them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands/nearly-100-companies-move-to-netherlands-ahead-of-brexit-dutch-agency-idUSKCN1VG0GH

But let's continue to ignore reality and pretend that none of this is happening. 

[Regal Beagle]

2 hours ago, TheSage said:

I do wish some on here would weigh up the evidence, examine the facts and adopt a logical stance instead of stubbornly claiming that a No deal Brexit will be good for us. Brexit is disastrous enough but a No deal is sheer lunacy. Otherwise, why would we be spending billions of pounds trying to mitigate the consequences? 

Just at a basic level, how much more do you think it costs to import something from the US compared to Calais? How fresher do you think food would be? Well? Just a thought. I don't think any of you understand economics and the crucial significance of trading with your closest partners. Look it up. It used to be called the gravity principle. That's why 2/3 of America's biggest trading partners border the US - Mexico and Canada. It's stupid to pretend that trading with countries thousands of miles away will be better and cheaper than Ireland or France. But I guess common sense and the laws of economics count for nothing in this post fact world that Brexiteers inhabit.

It will damage our economy. It will reduce our global influence in the world. it will make families poorer. It will harm our trade. It will hamper our security services. It will put at risk peace in Ireland. It will lead to Scotland pressing to leave the UK. There is not one, not one, single logical reason why we should leave such a successful organisation and one that all other countries around the world would love to join. 

 

                                                                                                              

 

Apart from Johnson's latest pack of lies, back in the real world I see today that nearly 100 UK companies have moved to the Netherlands to remain inside the EU, and a further 325 are considering joining them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-netherlands/nearly-100-companies-move-to-netherlands-ahead-of-brexit-dutch-agency-idUSKCN1VG0GH

But let's continue to ignore reality and pretend that none of this is happening. 

Cool story, what about the evidence being weighed up surrounding democracy, sovereignty and immigration? 

Can you please address the constitutional and democratic crises we would be plunged into if we fail to leave?