Brexit again...

[whotobeakiller]

Much will depend on whether they push hard for a confirmatory referendum or a scrapping of Brexit, 2 million new voters to play for.

 

I would say that both options are actually a vote loser for Labour providing the voters show some common sense at the ballot box

[Bycarsbill]

Being in Europe has also plunged people into poverty and debt

 

Being in Europe has pushed up rents and mortgage costs

 

Being in Europe has raised car taxes and car insurances

 

Being in Europe has taken well needed monies away from local government

 

Being in Europe has put a lot of smaller business out of business

 

Only snobs whom have had it good for so long and able to escape the realities of what high end immigration has done to working class communities can appreciate what a leave vote really means. Those insulated from the realities are simply too ignorant and stupid to even begin to contemplate and so will repeat their contemptuous and ignorant rhetoric

 

 

The majority of people will win in the end and that's not the likes of people who travel over Europe on a whim and live in plush four bedroom houses^^^^

 

I don't know what age you are, but as someone who is now decidedly getting a bit long in the tooth, I offer you a little history lesson; when we joined the Common market in 1973, Britain was literally the poor man and basket-case of Europe. Economically we were on our uppers without a pot to p**s in. Whatever the rights & wrongs of our EU membership, it is undeniable and historically factual that we are now the 5th/6th (depending how you mwasure it) country in the world. Mebership of the EU has certainly not been the reason for some of the 'facts' you quote above!!

[Bycarsbill]

A country of 50M with few trade specialist cannot possibly compete with a union of 500M,

the GFA is not ours it is an international treaty with Ireland and the US.

The money is not taken, it is our agreed membership fee.

Why should non-members have a say, like we have had in the past 40 years or so.

Trade as friends like with Trump?

 

Well said! Through the EU we already benefit from secured trade deals with no less than 78 countries--how many more countries does that leave that are really worth considering for bi-lateral agreements? As they've done all along, the arch-Brexiteers make ridiculously trite statements about how easy it was all going to be. Well out of the bi-lateral deals with targeted countries, I understand from newspaper reports and also Liam Fox on Andrew Marr a couple of weeks ago, that we have actually signed the grand total of 6 of these deals--wow wasn't that so easy!!!!

[whotobeakiller]

I don't know what age you are, but as someone who is now decidedly getting a bit long in the tooth, I offer you a little history lesson; when we joined the Common market in 1973, Britain was literally the poor man and basket-case of Europe. Economically we were on our uppers without a pot to p**s in. Whatever the rights & wrongs of our EU membership, it is undeniable and historically factual that we are now the 5th/6th (depending how you measure it) country in the world. Membership of the EU has certainly not been the reason for some of the 'facts' you quote above!!

 

Business has prospered from being in the original common market...yes it has. But you miss one vital point.

 

Since then Business has prospered through Globalisation. We have become a smaller world through the internet.

 

The world has changed our economy has changed. But the EU has changed for the worst. We have become part of s Corporate superstate dictatorship and what you are basically saying is

 

We need the EU to trade. -We don't need the EU to trade we can trade as friends consensually and with other countries without restrictions that the EU would selfishly impose

 

The EU is not a trading bloc in it's own right. It has become a dictatorship and needs to implode- the reasons being because of the conditions it is imposing on every member state and some of those condition bring about the symptoms I have stated.

 

The leave vote was no accident

[whotobeakiller]

Well said! Through the EU we already benefit from secured trade deals with no less than 78 countries--how many more countries does that leave that are really worth considering for bi-lateral agreements? As they've done all along, the arch-Brexiteers make ridiculously trite statements about how easy it was all going to be. Well out of the bi-lateral deals with targeted countries, I understand from newspaper reports and also Liam Fox on Andrew Marr a couple of weeks ago, that we have actually signed the grand total of 6 of these deals--wow wasn't that so easy!!!!

 

It can be very easy. We can all trade as friends and be free to trade around the world

[Fosse69]

It can be very easy. We can all trade as friends and be free to trade around the world

 

But the bigger countries have the leverage for the best deals, the EU with 500 million or us with 60 million, that's what counts especially on our doorstep.

[whotobeakiller]

But the bigger countries have the leverage for the best deals, the EU with 500 million or us with 60 million, that's what counts especially on our doorstep.

 

The whole world is at our fingertips....why restrict ourselves to the EU?

[Fosse69]

I would say that both options are actually a vote loser for Labour providing the voters show some common sense at the ballot box

You do realize that 60% of the Labour vote was for remain, remain is the preference for voters under 51, there are 2 million young people

who are now eligible to vote since the last referendum. 9 years of austerity has taken its toll too on the Tory vote.

[geosname]

You do realize that 60% of the Labour vote was for remain, remain is the preference for voters under 51, there are 2 million young people

who are now eligible to vote since the last referendum. 9 years of austerity has taken its toll too on the Tory vote.

 

I think if anyone votes for either party they want their bumps feeling.

[geosname]

I don't know what age you are, but as someone who is now decidedly getting a bit long in the tooth, I offer you a little history lesson; when we joined the Common market in 1973, Britain was literally the poor man and basket-case of Europe. Economically we were on our uppers without a pot to p**s in. Whatever the rights & wrongs of our EU membership, it is undeniable and historically factual that we are now the 5th/6th (depending how you mwasure it) country in the world. Mebership of the EU has certainly not been the reason for some of the 'facts' you quote above!!

 

Post war boom.... 1957...... you never had it so good.

[TheSage]

That's 62 years ago and the world has moved on.

 

In any case the period from 1960 onwards was very poor and Macmillan [who you quoted] wanted us to join the EU because we were in a mess economically. That's why Wilson and Heath both wanted us to join as well, to get a piece of the action,at least in part.

[Fosse69]

The whole world is at our fingertips....why restrict ourselves to the EU?

We already deal with the world, using the leverage of the EU.

[whotobeakiller]

BRITISH Steel is in desperate need of a £100million Government bail-out loan after being frozen out of an EU scheme by Brussels in the latest blow to Brexit.

 

https://brexitfeed.blogspot.com/2019/04/british-steel-in-urgent-100m-loan-talks.html?fbclid=IwAR1s57CSBPIhLvQylN-Dad0Qm3BQQc5-QZJcPiLozJ89ZuhORCG_CW8GsSo

 

Tell them shove their union and let's just get out of this corrupt dictatorship

[Fosse69]

BRITISH Steel is in desperate need of a £100million Government bail-out loan after being frozen out of an EU scheme by Brussels in the latest blow to Brexit.

 

https://brexitfeed.blogspot.com/2019/04/british-steel-in-urgent-100m-loan-talks.html?fbclid=IwAR1s57CSBPIhLvQylN-Dad0Qm3BQQc5-QZJcPiLozJ89ZuhORCG_CW8GsSo

 

Tell them shove their union and let's just get out of this corrupt dictatorship

Why should the EU fund our industry if we say we want to leave, don't expect our Government to care either.

[whotobeakiller]

We already deal with the world, using the leverage of the EU.

 

Only because we pay billions to do it. What a waste.

 

We don't need to pay billions to trade simple.