Lloyd - laughable comments

[Tone]

One other thing that I'm unsure about is the Sprinturf merger. I found some SEC filings regarding Millstream's acquisition of Sprinturf and there are some rather large figures banded around.

 

http://www.secinfo.com/d12atd.v7Fq.htm

 

However, I then stumbled across this article which indicates Millstream's shareholders rejected the acquisition. The article also states:

 

http://www.floordaily.net/flooring-news/Millstream_Investors_Reject_Sprinturf_Acquisition.aspx

 

Hank Julicher sold Sprinturf and then started Blue Sky. A pretty smart move if you ask me, given the patents he is said to hold. They turned over $28.2 million in 9 months, which isn't too shabby is it? Whether or not they were declaring a profit, given it was a privately held business, isn't too important, especially if Hank was paying himself a more than decent salary.

 

My guess is that he sold it in the end for a substantial sum, into the tens of millions.

 

 

Then I see that last year Sprinturf merged with another company, ITS.

 

http://www.sprinturf.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=content.pageDetails&id=3294&typeID=84

 

That is irrelevant as the company was no longer owned by Mr Julicher in 2010.

[Loggerheads Sage]

Same here. Thoroughly disillusioned. Let someone else step up to the plate. If more were interested last season things may have turned out different.

 

Too true, if the 1500 from the march had been outside VP every match it would have been very different. We have missed our best chance - i renewed recently and am regretting it - can't see me renewing next year tbh. Too disallisioned to start protesting again though (especially given some fans reaction at Crawley) - what will be will be.

[cheeky]

Same here. Thoroughly disillusioned. Let someone else step up to the plate. If more were interested last season things may have turned out different.

 

Completely agree. I went to all the protests last season, I didn't go at the beginning of this season because of SEO. I, like Manu like me, decided to give the new board a chance. I've been paying £20.50 on the gate. But I won't be going bank in the near future. Not because of a particular protest group, but because the football on show is dire. It isn't worth the money and quite frankly I'm disgusted at the lack of effort of the majority of players. I can't see it getting any better either. It's sad to think of where we could have been if more people had got behind the movement for change, with Mo and Mark in charge. Let's leave it to those who only care about the "football", and see how they feel having to put up with the dirge on offer. Hey you never know, some of them may even grow a pair and voice their concerns rather than accept the sh!te on offer and realise things could have been so much different.

[fairportnick]

Completely agree. I went to all the protests last season, I didn't go at the beginning of this season because of SEO. I, like Manu like me, decided to give the new board a chance. I've been paying £20.50 on the gate. But I won't be going bank in the near future. Not because of a particular protest group, but because the football on show is dire. It isn't worth the money and quite frankly I'm disgusted at the lack of effort of the majority of players. I can't see it getting any better either. It's sad to think of where we could have been if more people had got behind the movement for change, with Mo and Mark in charge. Let's leave it to those who only care about the "football", and see how they feel having to put up with the dirge on offer. Hey you never know, some of them may even grow a pair and voice their concerns rather than accept the sh!te on offer and realise things could have been so much different.

 

They wanted it. They are welcome to it. They deserve it.

[Santa]

Hank Julicher sold Sprinturf and then started Blue Sky. A pretty smart move if you ask me, given the patents he is said to hold. They turned over $28.2 million in 9 months, which isn't too shabby is it?

Why is Blue Sky's estimated turnover $1.1million (

[Tone]

Why is Blue Sky's estimated turnover $1.1million (

 

Because it is an estimate on the part of someone who probably doesn't know.

 

why are they run from a residential address

 

Because that is where he has chosen to register his LLC corporation. I did the same.

 

and why do they only have three employees?

 

Again, this may be an estimate but how he runs his company is not as important as how much money he has and whether he has integrity.

 

Despite Mr Julicher reportedly owning patents, would you say it's likely that Blue Sky manufactures any turf itself?

 

Probably not, but we do not know whether or not he has interests in a business that does manufacture turf.

[Santa]

Because it is an estimate on the part of someone who probably doesn't know.

Fair enough. Maybe they don't.

 

Just out of interest though, would you say that

 

http://www.manta.com/c/mm8wkqt/design-grace

[Vale]

Fair enough. Maybe they don't.

 

Just out of interest though, would you say that

 

http://www.manta.com/c/mm8wkqt/design-grace

 

A $1,000 turnover is less than $500,000 so it'd be accurate without being accurate

[the old bycars tea bar]

Tone are you hank:ohmy:

[VantaaVale]

Because that is where he has chosen to register his LLC corporation. I did the same.

 

Again, this may be an estimate but how he runs his company is not as important as how much money he has and whether he has integrity.

 

If Blue Sky want to break into the European market, how do you think that potential European purchasers would feel about buying something from a company registered at a private address which only has three employees? From a person that sold one artificial turf company and started another almost immediately afterwards. That in itself is odd.

 

For Blue Sky to make any impact in Europe, they need to ramp up their operation "big style"!

[VantaaVale]

Maybe I just cannot quite grasp the business logic of investing a relatively large amount of money into two small time Football League clubs with no history of success who are rather unlikely to make it into the big time of the Premier League.

 

Particularly so, when it is done while there is, as far as I know, no Blue Sky International operation in the UK, never mind Europe.

 

It all seems a bit backwards to me and the amount of time it will take to get the training facilities built and operational must also come into it. And I still do not quite see how Blue Sky could compete with existing global operations like Tarkett.

[melv]

Completely agree. I went to all the protests last season, I didn't go at the beginning of this season because of SEO. I, like Manu like me, decided to give the new board a chance. I've been paying £20.50 on the gate. But I won't be going bank in the near future. Not because of a particular protest group, but because the football on show is dire. It isn't worth the money and quite frankly I'm disgusted at the lack of effort of the majority of players. I can't see it getting any better either. It's sad to think of where we could have been if more people had got behind the movement for change, with Mo and Mark in charge. Let's leave it to those who only care about the "football", and see how they feel having to put up with the dirge on offer. Hey you never know, some of them may even grow a pair and voice their concerns rather than accept the sh!te on offer and realise things could have been so much different.

 

The 'only want football' ones who were so anti against the protesters will only blame the protesters if this lot goes pear shaped.

[Barcroft]

This Blue Square deal is clearly a load of crap. I'm ashamed to have believed that Perry and Lloyd could be trusted.

 

With all the talk of plastic pitches, stadium sponsorships and Boomer running around the pitch with an American flag, I think the start of a new era in the mould of AFC Wimbledon can't be far away. It requires someone with the money and desire to to start it all up though...

[Tone]

Fair enough. Maybe they don't.

 

Just out of interest though, would you say that

 

http://www.manta.com/c/mm8wkqt/design-grace

 

It would but so what? I don't think they have based that on anything other than that it was a small retail shop.

 

If Blue Sky want to break into the European market, how do you think that potential European purchasers would feel about buying something from a company registered at a private address which only has three employees? From a person that sold one artificial turf company and started another almost immediately afterwards. That in itself is odd.

 

For Blue Sky to make any impact in Europe, they need to ramp up their operation "big style"!

 

That is your opinion and, of course, you are entitled to it. But can you back that with evidence of the sort of personal business success that created a company (Sprinturf) that turned over an estimated $30 million plus? That is what Hank Julicher seems to have done quite apart from his other business interests, patents, etc. So whose judgment would we trust? I don't want that to sound like a stab at you, it is not. I would bow to his experience and business knowledge in the field he is in.

 

But I know more about pottery and kitchenware than he does.....

 

;)

[1]

This Blue Square deal is clearly a load of crap. I'm ashamed to have believed that Perry and Lloyd could be trusted.

 

With all the talk of plastic pitches, stadium sponsorships and Boomer running around the pitch with an American flag, I think the start of a new era in the mould of AFC Wimbledon can't be far away. It requires someone with the money and desire to to start it all up though...

 

AFC Burslem.

 

I call manager.