General Election 2017 pt 2

[JOHNNYAITCH]

Where is all this Communism coming from? As railway franchises run out, maybe 1 in the next 5 years they have to be put out to tender (EU rules), so in the future the Govt will be able to buy trains to run on the tracks instead of the German State railways doing it. Gas and Electric, set up competing companies selling Gas or Electric like Tesco have, but run with a lower profit margin to keep prices down. Have I missed something?

We won't be in the EU then

 

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[Howjy04]

Have the University fees stopped anyone going to Uni.?

 

I heard somewhere the numbers are up.

Except in 'free tuition ' Scotland where there is a cap on acceptances to University,because the Scottish Government have to pay for them.Strange how some of the Universities north of the border have targeted English students to go to their University.I wonder why?

[Fosse69]

We won't be in the EU then

 

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So will not be bound by EU rules and just take over the trains when the franchise expires. Similar for the French and German energy companies?

[Bea Smith]

Except in 'free tuition ' Scotland where there is a cap on acceptances to University,because the Scottish Government have to pay for them.Strange how some of the Universities north of the border have targeted English students to go to their University.I wonder why?

 

Just like his tax cheating, I bet Donald Trump would describe that as 'smart'.

[TheSage]

Charging university fees does put some students off.

The numbers attending has gone up as there are more universities and more students now than there were 20-30 years ago. It's a natural occurrence and doesn't mean that people are not put off.

Would you like to graduate with a possible debt of 30-40K around your neck?

It might be manageable if you become a barrister but not a teacher, social worker or a nurse.

[Bycarsbill]

Charging university fees does put some students off.

The numbers attending has gone up as there are more universities and more students now than there were 20-30 years ago. It's a natural occurrence and doesn't mean that people are not put off.

Would you like to graduate with a possible debt of 30-40K around your neck?

It might be manageable if you become a barrister but not a teacher, social worker or a nurse.

 

But why should everyone else pay for your higher education? Less money for universities would inevitably lead to less courses and therefore less student places!

[Bea Smith]

But why should everyone else pay for your higher education? Less money for universities would inevitably lead to less courses and therefore less student places!

 

What you say is true - but less students will lead to a 'dumbed-down' country like the USA.

[TheSage]

You could argue that anyone who goes on to work in the public sector, for example, should be regarded as an asset to society and treated as such. As I say, if you work in one of those jobs I mentioned it could be reasonably argued that you were benefiting society and doing a job of value for the community.

Or don't you rely on state schools or the NHS? Or believe in 'society'?

99% of people in those caring professions are not earning a great deal of money and are performing a service for the rest of us that we should value.

[Andyregs]

The entire manifesto is left wing and unrealistic, how are you going to build and complete 1 million liveable homes in a 5 year government term its impossible and if you cant complete that promise in 5 years why are you promising such a large number why promise anything at all?!?!

 

My husband works in the construction industry, you might as well say the country is going to build multiple full scale floating cities in the sea. What are these houses we are building in 5 years, eye sore high rise flats like the ones we are knocking down all over the country? Those ones that are breeding grounds for poverty and crime like in London, what is this the soviet union?

 

State nationalization of assets is communist in mindset, everything in a communist country belongs to the state, he's a Marxist and his cabinet admits it, why do we need to go into more debt to take over the railways, how is this a pressing issue of our time?! Just because the government runs something doesn't mean its going to run well.

 

What's stopping anyone achieving what they want to do now if they work hard enough for it or are smart enough? Who's stopping anyone here Mr Social Justice? My children can go to uni on their own back's, they can study and learn when the time comes, they save and move to the city for a well paid job if they want or they can specialise in a field or whatever they want.

 

Sorry to tell you but the world doesn't owe you a free ride and giving people free stuff isn't a solution for hard work and being ambitious in life, nothing is free, it doesn't just magically appear, this is from a business owner with kids, I come from a council estate.

 

Speaking to people like yourself you get no sense, utter nonsense. You live in another reality, you ultimately do more harm than good or just are plain annoying, I am just thankful anyway he's not going to be PM.

 

So if nationalised ownership equates to communism, then do you think France, Germany, Netherlands are communist countries? Some of which subsidise their railways with profits from ours.

I'll also have to assume that you want to scrap the National Health service, with it being state owned as well. In fact, does that make the Tories communist for not scrapping it completely yet? Damn, they are everywhere. You're not paranoid if they really are after you.

You didn't really answer my question 'what is wrong with wanting equal opportunity regardless of race, class, gender or sexuality' apart from why change it because you are your kids seem ok as it is.

Thank you for the patronising sermon on what live is like, and more rambling assumptions. I never said the world owed me a free ride, in fact I've worked all my life. I just think we have a responsibility to help those worse off or more vulnerable than ourselves. For some reason that Im yet to grasp, that seems to make you irrationally angry.

As for making no sense, I think Ive been clear in everything Ive said, whether you agree or not, and havent gone on any rants about the tories because Hitler was worse than some other dictator and therefore they must be bad, whilse making countles straw man arguments.

As for doing more harm than good, I'd have to know how much good you do for society before I can judge how insulting you were trying to be.

[Fosse69]

But why should everyone else pay for your higher education? Less money for universities would inevitably lead to less courses and therefore less student places!

Because everyone gets the benefits as well, obviously doctors and nurses treat everyone, the higher skills are of benefit to businesses as well as the general public. Instead of the unis being paid by a loan fund system they would be paid directly by the state as they always used to be, the state has access to the lowest rates of interest as well.

[philpvfc]

You could argue that anyone who goes on to work in the public sector, for example, should be regarded as an asset to society and treated as such. As I say, if you work in one of those jobs I mentioned it could be reasonably argued that you were benefiting society and doing a job of value for the community.

Or don't you rely on state schools or the NHS? Or believe in 'society'?

99% of people in those caring professions are not earning a great deal of money and are performing a service for the rest of us that we should value.

 

If they are not earning much then they don't pay back much. The payback depends on earnings and goes up as earnings go up so that defeats your argument.

[philpvfc]

Because everyone gets the benefits as well, obviously doctors and nurses treat everyone, the higher skills are of benefit to businesses as well as the general public. Instead of the unis being paid by a loan fund system they would be paid directly by the state as they always used to be, the state has access to the lowest rates of interest as well.

 

I have not benefited from countless students gaining a degree in psychology. Start training nurses rather than importing them, train them on the job rather than in the classroom just to obtain a piece of paper.

[Fosse69]

I have not benefited from countless students gaining a degree in psychology. Start training nurses rather than importing them, train them on the job rather than in the classroom just to obtain a piece of paper.

If a degree is of no benefit it should not be funded, I am no judge of that though. But I think nursing knowledge and qualifications are far more than a piece of paper nowadays, and should be paid properly, instead of recruiting from abroad where other countries have paid for their education and training, in effect sponging off poorer countries.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

I have not benefited from countless students gaining a degree in psychology. Start training nurses rather than importing them, train them on the job rather than in the classroom just to obtain a piece of paper.

How do you know you haven't? Do you know The qualifications of everyone who has helped you over the years?

 

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[JOHNNYAITCH]

If a degree is of no benefit it should not be funded, I am no judge of that though. But I think nursing knowledge and qualifications are far more than a piece of paper nowadays, and should be paid properly, instead of recruiting from abroad where other countries have paid for their education and training, in effect sponging off poorer countries.

When does the benefit get Judged? Someone may study something seemingly of little or no benefit but be inspired by it to do something of huge benefit years later.

 

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