General Election 2017 pt 2

[philpvfc]

Why should it be paid for by the state?

Should it not partly be paid by those who reap the benefits.

As said before, if they don't get a decent paid job then they do not pay a penny back.

[Fosse69]

Why should it be paid for by the state?

Should it not partly be paid by those who reap the benefits.

As said before, if they don't get a decent paid job then they do not pay a penny back.

Education has been a duty of the state since the 19th Century. People who go to Uni pay it in the time and studying they do there, and thier parents by supporting them financially when they are there.

[Howjy04]

Why should it be paid for by the state?

Should it not partly be paid by those who reap the benefits.

As said before, if they don't get a decent paid job then they do not pay a penny back.

 

Without tuition fees some Universities would close or ,at least,reduce courses available.Even then,as you say,it's peanuts spread over many years to pay it back,that's if you get a well paid job.

[Howjy04]

Education has been a duty of the state since the 19th Century. People who go to Uni pay it in the time and studying they do there, and thier parents by supporting them financially when they are there.

 

Parents still support them Fosse,just by a bit more.

[Fosse69]

Parents still support them Fosse,just by a bit more.

I am sure they do.

[HappyCatWendyPVFC]

Youre getting mixed up with political policies and a political system. The link you gave says a left led government. No one is denying that. I think it speaks volumes that you have not argued anything on policies, and have instead chosen spoken about communism, hitler and chairman mao. Im sure the 1200 communist voters in 2015 will have a massive impact on the election.

 

Not at all, i am talking about the big picture and how he views the world, that's what his actions will be based from and they are, he's complete in tune with these people, its the first time in about 80 years they have suggested to vote for a politician outside of their organization in the UK from what i remember reading, that's quite a big alarm bell in its self.

 

I think that's truly the thing that speaks volumes, you obviously want to avoid the obvious and haggle about small things, the fantasy bribes he's offering, glad you took the effort to research the number of one group and not talk about the real issues. Pretty much shows more Labour voter rug sweeping for the dear leader as hes pretty much undefendable on alot of issues.

 

You only have to look at the manifesto to see Corbyn wants to move towards communism, he wants to make everybody equal, totally against capitalism, nationalise as much as he can.

 

Pretty much phil that's what the man's mindset along with the people he has around him is.

[stupers]

Without tuition fees some Universities would close or ,at least,reduce courses available.Even then,as you say,it's peanuts spread over many years to pay it back,that's if you get a well paid job.

 

Or increase the number of places to meet demand, allowing them to have more money from the government coming in. It's unlikely that the government would pay £9k a year per place like the universities currently get from the loan system, so in order to maintain services they may increase class sizes to maintain revenue.

 

I'm in two minds about this. I agree that everyone should be entitled to university education, although I don't understand how the current system stops anyone from going. I think the fees are currently too high though, and some middle ground should be found. I went to Uni at the £3,000 a year time, and had a loan to cover it. I did Sports Management, and aside from one job it hasn't really done much for me. I would have been better going straight in to my chosen profession at 18 and progressed through that system. But at £3k a year, at 18, why not go to Uni and have a good time? I suppose I learnt some life skills, but I should be the kind of person that should be deterred from some way in going to uni. But the relatively low costs meant not a jot to me at the time. 13 years after graduating I am still paying off my student loan and have about 4 years left to pay.

 

What I found (And I still find annoying to this day) is that when I wasn't earning enough to make repayments, I was still accruing interest on the loan. So I can't afford to pay the capital back yet, but my bill can get bigger? I don't think that's right at all. A more sensible annual fee, and interest not being tagged on until you're at repayment stage is a fairer system (Although there may be some workarounds that need to be ironed out).

 

Yet again in this election campaign, I find myself in the middle of the two main parties in my thoughts. I find the Lib Dems repulsive for their 'I'll say anything to get your vote' strategy and I have no other options where I live. It's down to a choice of ******* up the economy or public services. Not a particularly pleasant choice.

[Andyregs]

Not at all, i am talking about the big picture and how he views the world, that's what his actions will be based from and they are, he's complete in tune with these people, its the first time in about 80 years they have suggested to vote for a politician outside of their organization in the UK from what i remember reading, that's quite a big alarm bell in its self.

 

I think that's truly the thing that speaks volumes, you obviously want to avoid the obvious and haggle about small things, the fantasy bribes he's offering, glad you took the effort to research the number of one group and not talk about the real issues. Pretty much shows more Labour voter rug sweeping for the dear leader as hes pretty much undefendable on alot of issues.

 

 

 

Pretty much phil that's what the man's mindset along with the people he has around him is.

 

Took the time? I googled their website to see what they were saying rather than speak about something I hadn't read. I'm not sweeping anything under the rug. You just keep ignoring things I say and going on random rants about irrelevant things. I haven't heard you talk about any of the real issues. Only Hitler was better than mao and corbyns a commie. A small left wing party says vote labour because they are on the left. No surprises. Can you link me to any part of the manifesto which is communist? Along with a reason why it's such an evil policy.

 

You quoted a reply to me about wanting to make everyone equal. My response was ignored so I'll ask you as you brought it up. Are you saying he wants to make everyone equal regardless of what they do, if so please provide the link to that manifesto point. If you are saying he want to give everyone an equal opportunity in life regardless of gender, class, ethnicity and sexuality, then can you say what is wrong with that. I don't expect you to. Instead it will be something about communism and dictators or something.

[philpvfc]

Or increase the number of places to meet demand, allowing them to have more money from the government coming in. It's unlikely that the government would pay £9k a year per place like the universities currently get from the loan system, so in order to maintain services they may increase class sizes to maintain revenue.

 

I'm in two minds about this. I agree that everyone should be entitled to university education, although I don't understand how the current system stops anyone from going. I think the fees are currently too high though, and some middle ground should be found. I went to Uni at the £3,000 a year time, and had a loan to cover it. I did Sports Management, and aside from one job it hasn't really done much for me. I would have been better going straight in to my chosen profession at 18 and progressed through that system. But at £3k a year, at 18, why not go to Uni and have a good time? I suppose I learnt some life skills, but I should be the kind of person that should be deterred from some way in going to uni. But the relatively low costs meant not a jot to me at the time. 13 years after graduating I am still paying off my student loan and have about 4 years left to pay.

 

What I found (And I still find annoying to this day) is that when I wasn't earning enough to make repayments, I was still accruing interest on the loan. So I can't afford to pay the capital back yet, but my bill can get bigger? I don't think that's right at all. A more sensible annual fee, and interest not being tagged on until you're at repayment stage is a fairer system (Although there may be some workarounds that need to be ironed out).

 

Yet again in this election campaign, I find myself in the middle of the two main parties in my thoughts. I find the Lib Dems repulsive for their 'I'll say anything to get your vote' strategy and I have no other options where I live. It's down to a choice of ******* up the economy or public services. Not a particularly pleasant choice.

 

A lot of sense spoken. I agree it needs to be capped at a sensible figure the only problem by capping it too small is that the universities are already encouraging foreign students to fill classes as they get charged a lot more meaning more profits for the universities and by increasing foreign students and decreasing British students does not help this country in the long run.

 

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/students/student-loans-tuition-fees-changes

 

The current system should not stop anyone going to university but I would not like to see the cap raised for a good few years at least.

[HappyCatWendyPVFC]

Took the time? I googled their website to see what they were saying rather than speak about something I hadn't read. I'm not sweeping anything under the rug. You just keep ignoring things I say and going on random rants about irrelevant things. I haven't heard you talk about any of the real issues. Only Hitler was better than mao and corbyns a commie. A small left wing party says vote labour because they are on the left. No surprises. Can you link me to any part of the manifesto which is communist? Along with a reason why it's such an evil policy.

 

You quoted a reply to me about wanting to make everyone equal. My response was ignored so I'll ask you as you brought it up. Are you saying he wants to make everyone equal regardless of what they do, if so please provide the link to that manifesto point. If you are saying he want to give everyone an equal opportunity in life regardless of gender, class, ethnicity and sexuality, then can you say what is wrong with that. I don't expect you to. Instead it will be something about communism and dictators or something.

 

The entire manifesto is left wing and unrealistic, how are you going to build and complete 1 million liveable homes in a 5 year government term its impossible and if you cant complete that promise in 5 years why are you promising such a large number why promise anything at all?!?!

 

My husband works in the construction industry, you might as well say the country is going to build multiple full scale floating cities in the sea. What are these houses we are building in 5 years, eye sore high rise flats like the ones we are knocking down all over the country? Those ones that are breeding grounds for poverty and crime like in London, what is this the soviet union?

 

State nationalization of assets is communist in mindset, everything in a communist country belongs to the state, he's a Marxist and his cabinet admits it, why do we need to go into more debt to take over the railways, how is this a pressing issue of our time?! Just because the government runs something doesn't mean its going to run well.

 

What's stopping anyone achieving what they want to do now if they work hard enough for it or are smart enough? Who's stopping anyone here Mr Social Justice? My children can go to uni on their own back's, they can study and learn when the time comes, they save and move to the city for a well paid job if they want or they can specialise in a field or whatever they want.

 

Sorry to tell you but the world doesn't owe you a free ride and giving people free stuff isn't a solution for hard work and being ambitious in life, nothing is free, it doesn't just magically appear, this is from a business owner with kids, I come from a council estate.

 

Speaking to people like yourself you get no sense, utter nonsense. You live in another reality, you ultimately do more harm than good or just are plain annoying, I am just thankful anyway he's not going to be PM.

[mr.hobblesworth]

this is from a business owner with kids, I come from a council estate.

 

You'll be going back to your council estate if you don't start doing some work instead of spouting claptrap on a football forum.

[blackdog]

Education has been a duty of the state since the 19th Century. People who go to Uni pay it in the time and studying they do there, and thier parents by supporting them financially when they are there.

 

Have the University fees stopped anyone going to Uni.?

 

I heard somewhere the numbers are up.

[Fosse69]

Where is all this Communism coming from? As railway franchises run out, maybe 1 in the next 5 years they have to be put out to tender (EU rules), so in the future the Govt will be able to buy trains to run on the tracks instead of the German State railways doing it. Gas and Electric, set up competing companies selling Gas or Electric like Tesco have, but run with a lower profit margin to keep prices down. Have I missed something?

[Fosse69]

Have the University fees stopped anyone going to Uni.?

 

I heard somewhere the numbers are up.

I would be very surprised if they haven`t, someone must have done a survey.

[JOHNNYAITCH]

You'll be going back to your council estate if you don't start doing some work instead of spouting claptrap on a football forum.

Are you suggesting that people who don't work hard live in council houses?

 

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