Policing of PVFC - Chairman's Statement

[Mario]

No one has said that's its ok to go around on a match day causing drunken drugged up GBH have they,unless I have missed it.In which case please show where it has been said.

 

The jist behind what is being said is the OTT policing and the OTT cost of it to the club (and tax payers) take a look and the various photos and it is easy to see.

 

I dont see many having a go at the neanderthals who cause the problem in first place.

 

Are you honestly saying if there were no Police there yesterday it would have passed off with no incident.

 

The reason for such a large Police prescence is down to the wannabes and idiots, I am beginning to think this is a S-O-T problem.

[Robbie Earle's Perm]

I dont see many having a go at the neanderthals who cause the problem in first place.

 

Are you honestly saying if there were no Police there yesterday it would have passed off with no incident.

 

The reason for such a large Police prescence is down to the wannabes and idiots, I am beginning to think this is a S-O-T problem.

 

This for me is equally if not more so the problem, some people want to blame anyone but the people actually responsible for causing the problem (look at those who defended the Wolves hooligans in the home game last season).

 

Admittedly the police commissioner is now taking the poss and it's great to see the chairman taking a stand against him but without this following this wouldn't be an issue, the Police are seemingly taking advantage of the fact we have a number of people/scumbags who say they support our club but should either seek help for their problems or go and support another team.

 

That said for the police to be taking advantage of this scum that blights our club is completely out of order.

[old sage]

If the police spent a little more time getting the away fans onto their buses instead of allowing them to 'bait' the home supporters the problems would be greatly reduced.

As I posted earlier on this thread a good barrier fence and a little common sense from the stewards and police would ease both the problem and Smurf's bill.

[Walter]

If I had a quid for every time I said this I could buy a set of floodlights you cannot hold people in a football stadium or any other place for that matter without arresting them, it's called containment and has been unlawful for about 6 years, it can only be used when there is a serious threat to life. I can just imagine the reaction if Vale fans were kept in a stadium so they didn't have to go out on a unsegragated Road, it's a ****** game if you can't walk down a road with supporters of other teams without getting your head caved in by a Neanderthal its time to give up.

 

 

Just recently at Scotland away, us england fans were held in Celtic Park for between 20 & 30 minutes. they didn't even let you go for a ****, you had to stay in the stand.

[Bald Eagle]

If I had a quid for every time I said this I could buy a set of floodlights you cannot hold people in a football stadium or any other place for that matter without arresting them, it's called containment and has been unlawful for about 6 years, it can only be used when there is a serious threat to life. I can just imagine the reaction if Vale fans were kept in a stadium so they didn't have to go out on a unsegragated Road, it's a ****** game if you can't walk down a road with supporters of other teams without getting your head caved in by a Neanderthal its time to give up.

 

If they were so confident in their intelligence and therefore needed to overman the day as they wanted then surely their must have been a serious threat to life. Can't have it both ways

[Aussie Rules]

If they were so confident in their intelligence and therefore needed to overman the day as they wanted then surely their must have been a serious threat to life. Can't have it both ways

 

Is such 'intelligence gathered' shared with Smurf? If so, could that be partly the reason for the difference of opinion?

[geosname]

I dont think anyone is suggesting there should be NO police presence, an adequate police presence is whats needed and what needs to be paid for. There seems to be a disagreement between what is adequate and the overkill thats being billed for.

If there is a problem between fans it should be dealt with before, during and after the match which could mean complete segregation, bus them in, fence them in, keep them in.... less trouble, less police needed, less cost because they will be outside the ground.

[Yukon]

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Doncaster-fans-arrested-Port-Vale/story-26065198-detail/story.html

 

That story wreaks of the police justifying their presence

[Fuzzy Dunlop]

The police are a joke at times, they're basically admitting in that article they had issues with around a dozen or so Doncaster fans and if they can't handle that it's time to pack in. As you say though I'm sceptical half of that even happened, talk about putting a spin on something.

 

Lancashire Police did the same with us in the FA Cup, refused to give us the extra 2,000 tickets we requested then spent the whole day trying to antagonise Stoke fans and pick a fight with them to justify it. The stewards were the same in the ground, then lo and behold there was a few scuffles and they take the moral high ground.

 

I know they have a tough job but some of their actions stink.....

 

Unfortunately for me I was at Blackburn as a guest of an old friend from the area( Stoke fan). If you honestly believe what you've posted I would suggest that (a) you were not there and (b) you have not been reading the comments posted by your own supporters on the Oatcake. The fault of what happened lies totally at the feet of idiotic drunken Stoke fans

[PVTony]

To eradicate any problem' tis best to determine the root cause and eliminate it!

 

The root cause is due to drunken yobs who are just interested in causing trouble by fighting whilst trying to prove their ability to injure people.

 

Port Vale don't invite them and certainly don't want them so why shbould the police bill the club for the mass display of uniforms?

Pubs don't have police bills for taking precaution against drunken scum and neither do other places of entertainment.

Video the scum, take them to court and bang them up in jail for a couple of years as a deterrent to other would be trouble makers.

[Yukon]

I ended up lying £20-odd to get back from Macc because Stoke fans were fighting on the last train, they also threaten the female ticket collector. If though you think this sort of thing is exclusive to them though you're mental- or having you forgotten the steward with the broken leg at Wycombe?

[Santa]

1. Vale has its fair share of idiots. No doubt about that. But then again so do a lot of clubs up and down the country. There should be nothing that the Police can’t handle with proper planning and the correct use of resources.

2. That of course, is presuming that minimizing disorder is the Police’s objective, rather than exacerbating it to justify their own presence and bills to the football club.

3. The number of Police in attendance at a football match is not inversely proportional to the amount of disorder. The Wolves match last season proved that, for which the Police later apologized.

4. The vast majority of Police on Saturday were redundant, stood around doing nothing due to threat of disorder being grossly exaggerated. At half past two, when it should have been one of their busiest points of the day, I saw two more mature looking WPCs saunter past the Vine carrying orange paper bags from Wright’s Pies.

5. If the “specific intelligence” genuinely warranted as many police as it did to deal with a very small number of rowdy away fans and chavvy kids, then Staffs Police really are in trouble.

6. Staffordshire Police are, to my mind, currently engaged in a PR offensive designed to overstate the amount of disorder. It’s a transparent attempt to justify their own excessive presence at Vale matches and their extortionate bills. Their statement on Friday was overly confrontational and not the language of an organization looking to reach a mutually acceptable solution

7. What Policing background does Matthew Ellis have? As far as I can see he was elected as PCC on the basis of being the Conservative party candidate on a low turnout. The sight of him having public slanging matches with Norman is very unedifying for a man holding public office on a £75,000 a year salary. I hope that whoever is in power after May abolishes him.

[smithie]

If you look at the "offences" that the Donny fans were arrested for, 2 are for drunkenness (one of those was "suspected drunkenness"!!) and one for public order.

 

How many people could be done for being drunk & disorderly at weekends - thousands? And public order can be for shouting or spitting in the street etc...again, when else would you be lifted for that?

 

Doncaster's "mob" was a handful of spotty teenagers, who were clearly revelling in the presence of such a large escort to the ground.

 

Once they were put in the ground, the police stood against a wall and did precisely nothing for 90 minutes. Why were they not dispatched to foot patrols or something useful?

 

It really was comical seeing so many cops there for Doncaster. Not Leeds, Sheff Utd or Wednesday, remember.....DONCASTER!!

[Yukon]

If you look at the "offences" that the Donny fans were arrested for, 2 are for drunkenness (one of those was "suspected drunkenness"!!) and one for public order.

 

How many people could be done for being drunk & disorderly at weekends - thousands? And public order can be for shouting or spitting in the street etc...again, when else would you be lifted for that?

 

Doncaster's "mob" was a handful of spotty teenagers, who were clearly revelling in the presence of such a large escort to the ground.

 

Once they were put in the ground, the police stood against a wall and did precisely nothing for 90 minutes. Why were they not dispatched to foot patrols or something useful?

 

It really was comical seeing so many cops there for Doncaster. Not Leeds, Sheff Utd or Wednesday, remember.....DONCASTER!!

 

It's as transparent as the ridiculous smiling and greeting after the Wolves game! I'm hugely impressed our chairman is proactive enough to stand up to them

[Jacko51]

If I had a quid for every time I said this I could buy a set of floodlights you cannot hold people in a football stadium or any other place for that matter without arresting them, it's called containment and has been unlawful for about 6 years, it can only be used when there is a serious threat to life. I can just imagine the reaction if Vale fans were kept in a stadium so they didn't have to go out on a unsegragated Road, it's a ****** game if you can't walk down a road with supporters of other teams without getting your head caved in by a Neanderthal its time to give up.

 

You might wish to pass the info on to the Northumbria Police who regularly hold Sunderland fans back after the Derby games and did so only 2 months ago.