Players I never want to see in a Vale shirt again

[philpvfc]

2 hours ago, MBE said:

I’ve got a different take with negative tactics. 

I thought Moore made us compact, better organised  and we started keeping clean sheets and managed a few results. Once we had to win and be more positive on the front foot we were very easily picked off and conceded goals for fun. I think this is the main reason our home record is atrocious. Combine that with a team which finds it very difficult to score I honestly don’t think DM had a choice. History has shown us when we concede 1st we lose so the only way to combat that is to sit in, keep a clean sheet and play for setpieces.

If we had pace we could counter attack but that’s just another story of our arrogant recruitment.

The difference with Crosby teams though we had a very good midfield with Blaster and Devine so we could keep the ball and try and attack. DM hasn’t had that luxury. The squad he inherited was significantly worse than Crosby’s plus Ojo has been sulking and stopped playing.

Generally we ended up with a very poor group of players, one of the worst in my lifetime.

Why do you think Moore made us more compact, better organised and kept clean sheets?

is first 5 games he conceded 3, 2, 2, 2 & 3. Not one clean sheet, it took him 7 games until we kept a clean sheet

in his first 10 games we conceded 16, 1 less than Crosbys last 10 games which saw him get the sack, he also gained 4 less points in those 10 games and that includes his only 2 victories while at the Vale.

[philpvfc]

1 hour ago, 1 said:

Someone who's departure has been overlooked somewhat, due to the lament for Ollie and Alfie, is Josh Thomas. He was getting better and knew where the net was. Not only fast, but also chased, which are two different things. Would have grabbed more goals than those who replaced him. Ah well.

If we’d have kept Thomas and he’d have played every minute that Loft had we most likely would have stayed up- he’d have scored 6 or 7 goals as opposed to Loft which would have been worth around 7 or 8 more points.

[philpvfc]

16 minutes ago, Brian Johnson said:

I said it at the end of last season and I will say it again now.

The whole defence needs replacing. 

Jones should have never been given a new contract. I would have played more games than him & i'm nearly 50 and unfit.

Smith's not been very good for two seasons now and yet people think miraculously he's going to be good in league 2.

Why is a player being awful for 2 years suddenly going to become good?

I can not wait for next week when Uche Ikpeazu is released and then we can stop this pathetic love in with a player that is never match fit and only scored once all season.

He's a professional footballer and should be able to last 90+ minutes each week.

Get rid of all the out of the contract player's because that instantly makes room for new recruits that want to play for the badge.

People say that we should keep Garrity, Chislett & Ripley - I tell you now, we will not have a choice to keep them because with only 1 year left of their contracts, some League One sides will  take a gamble on them in the summer and get them at a snip. That's not a dig at Carol by the way but that's how the world works in football transfers. I can imagine someone like Steve Evans taking Garrity to Rotherham for £250k.

Let's stop signing players that have just been relegated with other teams because they have all got a losing mentality around them - Ripley, Mitch Clark, Chislett and Jenson Weir were all relegated last season.

I do not want the stink of relegation hanging around the place or changing rooms next season, I want to see a winning mentality.

We can not  pay up players contracts, this is true but I would be going to Ojo, go find yourself a new club. 

I would go to Dan Jones and say here is 3 months wages, now, you can jog on.

The same with Conor Grant and Jason Lowe. Offer them a pay off but not all the contract.

Also, is it only me, but when James Plant first came onto the scene last season, he was a goal scoring, attacking midfielder? 

Whose stupid idea was it to start playing him at wing back?

Let's play him in the position he burst onto the scene with, getting him scoring goals again and then sell him for a big fee.

The sooner the club appoint a new a Director of Football or Head of Recruitment or whatever the title might be, the sooner that chosen person can start dealing with the aftermath of the last two seasons.

 

Smith was player of the season last year, deservedly so and he has played well in the last 6 or so games. He is a good center back, just needs 2 decent defenders alongside him. He is not a wing back and he is no use at playing the ball out on the ground, that is why he needs better players next to him.

[Griffalo]

I pretty much agree with the list but I definitely wouldn't get rid of Smith.

The lad is a top end CB at L2 level and has a fantastic injury record - he's made of stern stuff he must have played with niggles a lot would have cried off with and probably to his own detriment - he's also been messed around positionally and asked to play out from the back which isn't his game. I would, however, take the armband off him and hand it to Garrity if he stays.

 

Probably controversial but I'd also keep Loft - I feel he could have the game for L2 providing we play to his strengths .. I'm not saying first name on the teamsheet but one of 4 strikers fighting for a place 

It wouldn't surprise me to see Harratt return with the Moore connection & 1 other to go with Dipepa and Loft 

[Raveninblack]

1 hour ago, philpvfc said:

Smith was player of the season last year, deservedly so and he has played well in the last 6 or so games. He is a good center back, just needs 2 decent defenders alongside him. He is not a wing back and he is no use at playing the ball out on the ground, that is why he needs better players next to him.

I think smith has been very poor all season and his contract should be paid up and released likewise with Ojo but Massey’s contract is up in May and he should definitely not be resigned, likewise with ikpaezo and pay up Jones’s contract and let him go like loft and sang 

[kevin_struggles]

5 hours ago, ValeGez said:

People need to brace themselves for the release of the initial retained list . 
The Club can’t just ‘bin off’ players under contract so they’ll be shown as ‘retained’ . 
The work will come after when some will either be transfer listed or told they’re surplus to requirements and can find themselves another Club . Others may enter into negotiations to be released by mutual agreement. 
Lots of work ahead for Moore and his team over the Summer months, hopefully this will lead to a much better squad in place for the start of the season . 
Patience needs to be shown and no use getting all worked up over the initial announcement , it won’t be the end product , give them a chance to put it right .
Here’s to looking forward to a brighter future come August . 
UTV 
 

You may well be right but I hope not, we did that last season and ended up losing players like benning and harrison late on with no time to replace them whilst we kept dross like jones and massey this time Carol has to bite the bullet this is as much her fault as anyone else's so if she has to pay them off she needs to do so the dead wood has to be cut out early doors.

[philpvfc]

1 hour ago, Raveninblack said:

I think smith has been very poor all season and his contract should be paid up and released likewise with Ojo but Massey’s contract is up in May and he should definitely not be resigned, likewise with ikpaezo and pay up Jones’s contract and let him go like loft and sang 

Well, I disagree with you. 

[MBE]

2 hours ago, philpvfc said:

Why do you think Moore made us more compact, better organised and kept clean sheets?

is first 5 games he conceded 3, 2, 2, 2 & 3. Not one clean sheet, it took him 7 games until we kept a clean sheet

in his first 10 games we conceded 16, 1 less than Crosbys last 10 games which saw him get the sack, he also gained 4 less points in those 10 games and that includes his only 2 victories while at the Vale.

During this run of games I thought we were. Considering the players at Crosby’s disposal and Moore I personally think it’s a very unfair comparison. 

[Osh]

I think some people on here are going to get a very rude awakening.  This is NOT FIFA Manager; we need some L2 and some L1 players; I think there will be more kept than shown the door.

I also think if we play players in the roles they are supposed to play in then you'll also see better performances out of some of them.

[valiant_593]

5 minutes ago, Osh said:

I think some people on here are going to get a very rude awakening.  This is NOT FIFA Manager; we need some L2 and some L1 players; I think there will be more kept than shown the door.

I also think if we play players in the roles they are supposed to play in then you'll also see better performances out of some of them.

I can’t agree. Not with this lot, usually I would as tearing a squad apart rarely works. But this lot aren’t interested and don’t show any bottle. Grant, Massey ect aren’t good enough regardless of what position they are played in. Jones, Deborah, loft, Massey, Lowe, I don’t think are league 2 quality. 

[Osh]

3 minutes ago, valiant_593 said:

I can’t agree. Not with this lot, usually I would as tearing a squad apart rarely works. But this lot aren’t interested and don’t show any bottle. Grant, Massey ect aren’t good enough regardless of what position they are played in. Jones, Deborah, loft, Massey, Lowe, I don’t think are league 2 quality. 

Yep - I agree with most of that.  BUT we simply don't have the money to py up everyone's contract and bin them all off.  Thats not realistic - I just don't see it happening.

Just my 2' worth brother.

[philpvfc]

23 minutes ago, MBE said:

During this run of games I thought we were. Considering the players at Crosby’s disposal and Moore I personally think it’s a very unfair comparison. 

You conveniently miss the first 3 games of Moore’s reign where we conceded 7 goals, throwing away points at Cheltenham and Reading.Arblaster and Devine were gone a few games before the end of Crosbys reign who despite not having Arblaster we managed to beat Blackpool 3-0 and get a draw at Wycombe. Garrity has come back from injury for Moore as has Uche.

[ValeGez]

1 hour ago, kevin_struggles said:

You may well be right but I hope not, we did that last season and ended up losing players like benning and harrison late on with no time to replace them whilst we kept dross like jones and massey this time Carol has to bite the bullet this is as much her fault as anyone else's so if she has to pay them off she needs to do so the dead wood has to be cut out early doors.

Just trying to point out that whatever people expect it’s not going to happen as soon as the list is out . Any incomings will most certainly be dictated by who goes out and it won’t be as simple as paying players off like some people seem to think . Everything is in the contracted players favour , it’s irrelevant whether or not they should have got those deals in the first place . We need other Clubs to come in for some players we no longer require as we unfortunately did with Loft from Bristol. 
UTV 

[RayWalkers40yarder]

51 minutes ago, Osh said:

I think some people on here are going to get a very rude awakening.  This is NOT FIFA Manager; we need some L2 and some L1 players; I think there will be more kept than shown the door.

I also think if we play players in the roles they are supposed to play in then you'll also see better performances out of some of them.

if thats the case carol will get a rude awakening when it comes to season ticket sales in the summer.

[markh]

Well if the forum is correct the 3-6 play we want to keep will be sold and the rest we want out so they can go forth and multiply. Quite the rebuild! 

Edited April 22 by markh