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Nothing wrong with getting just a little carried away at the moment,  as long as we all remember that it's The Vale we're talking about. But then again this is the New Vale and it feels amazing,  even

Mentions specifically that he wasnt having a good time personally when he was here last time. This place is a different world these days, he will supported as a family man, he has moved back to B

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Well quite "reserve team" or "friendlies team/paint pot trophy team" but the under 23 players can get extra coaching for development and the best out of the youth team can be invited along for sessions because usually two or three of the best get offered terms but this year none which is kinda shocking...suppose Sinclairs job is to get two or three youth players into this "development squad" extra sessions with a view to first year professional terms and also to get the U23 players into the first team as regulars....kinda makes sense for players on the fringe of the matchday squad and in terms of homegrown youth graduates.

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Taking the players in the squad that are u23 away from the main group is a bad idea IMO. Players like Gibbo and Burgess for example are already first team regulars. I don’t see the benefit of them going away from the rest of the team and having different coaching methods and tactics from someone else. Besides in the week they do games against each other,  drills and routines that benefit them on a match day. They need to be part of that. Also they won’t get the same benefit of training with youth players as they do with the experienced players in current first team squad.


To me sinclairs role is a bit unclear as we have no u23 squad, only u18s, so I don’t understand what he’s going to be doing.  Unless it’s to provide better coaching than possibly the Ede brothers are doing currently with the u18s?

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Taking the players in the squad that are u23 away from the main group is a bad idea IMO. Players like Gibbo and Burgess for example are already first team regulars. I don’t see the benefit of them going away from the rest of the team and having different coaching methods and tactics from someone else. Besides in the week they do games against each other,  drills and routines that benefit them on a match day. They need to be part of that. Also they won’t get the same benefit of training with youth players as they do with the experienced players in current first team squad.

To me sinclairs role is a bit unclear as we have no u23 squad, only u18s, so I don’t understand what he’s going to be doing.  Unless it’s to provide better coaching than possibly the Ede brothers are doing currently with the u18s?

There’s an interview online about it next week
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PV1973.....in an attempt to make sense of Frank Sinclairs role don't think any in the first team matchday squad will need to do extra sessions but maybe say Cambell-Gordon/Hurst/Rodney and say Lovett and Bradbury if signed while if say Crookes isn't making the matchday squad then inorder to maintain fitness/sharpness/focus and they will not be training with the youth team but hopefully one or two stand out youth players will be included in any such extra sessions....if the idea is to get fringe U23 players fast tracked with extra coaching and get a few of the best potential youth graduates ready for professional life it kinda makes sense.

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On 26/07/2020 at 15:22, valeparklife said:

I decided to check out Transfermarkt.com for strikers out of contract. There aren't many at all that I think would be decent!

I do think we'll sign a "traditional" centre forward this summer - big, strong, can hold the ball up etc. We already have Pope who's 34yo so I'd assume we'd bring in someone younger.

So, looking at the list of "realistic" strikers under 30yo, there would be:

  • Devante Cole (24yo) - Rumoured to be going to Swindon and will likely stay in L1 unless someone in L2 can offer a good wage.
  • Tom Nichols (26yo) - Prolific at Exeter but last 3 seasons with Bristol Rovers has yielded only 4 goals in 93 L1 games.
  • Dominic Samuel (26yo) - Released by Blackburn but a rumoured target for Luton/Wycombe so out of our league currently.
  • Frank Nouble (28yo) - Rumoured to be going back to Newport. More of a "wing forward" than a centre forward anyway and I can't see this happening.
  • Jake Jervis (28yo) - 4 in 20 on loan at Salford last season. 2 in 23 the season before with Wimbledon in L1. 6"4, strong and mobile, based in Wolverhampton. Could fit Askey's system?
  • Oli Hawkins (28yo) - 6"5 centre forward released by Portsmouth. Probably out of our wage budget and played a number of games at CB for Portsmouth. I'd love him but doubtful as there would be a ton of competition.
  • Mason Bloomfield (23yo) - 3 in 23 for Crawley last season on loan. Not much League experience and feel he's destined for non-league so unlikely.
  • Rhys Oates (25yo) - Fit's the centre forward profile but poor scoring record (never hit double figures yet in his career). Career seems to be on a downward trajectory.
  • Ibrahim Meite (24yo) - poor record for Crawley (2 goals in 21 games in L2) and subsequently released. Was on loan in the NL at Woking and got 4 in 15. Too similar to Devante Rodney's profile for me.
  • Alex Jakubiak (23yo) - has had 9 clubs on loan before being released this summer. Spent the first half of last season on loan at Gillingham (6 goals in 24), then moved on loan to St Mirren (0 goals in 7). Similar type of player to Cullen (small, nippy) so don't think we'll be interested.
  • Joe Ironside (26yo) - decent first season in the FL (6 goals in 33) for a struggling side. I could see us being interested.
  • Ollie Palmer (28yo) - Someone I'd love to see us sign but Burton are the latest club to be linked with him so unlikely in my opinion.
  • Vadaine Oliver (28yo) - Never prolific at any of his clubs but always seemed one of those "works hard for the team" type strikers managers like. Just won promotion to L1 with Northampton but hasn't yet agreed a deal. Probably unlikely again.

Of those strikers, I'd say there would only be Jervis, Oates and Ironside that we would be interested in and could realistically sign? 

We all know Vale fans love to moan if we sign a striker that hasn't got a history of scoring 50 goals a season, so I think we might have to be creative and try and pull a rabbit out of a hat somewhere? Maybe agreeing to sign a player from another club currently under contract? 

As I've said numerous times before - systems make strikers. Hopefully we can sign someone that suits our system and turn them into a goalscorer, rather than saying "he's scored 20 goals a season with another club, so he'll score 20 with us".

 

 

Ironside, Nouble, Oates crossed off isn't leaving us with much!

I see Vadaine Oliver posted a farewell message on Twitter today so he will be available - again, not overly inspiring as he's never impressed me at Crewe or Northampton.

Whoever it is, I'll get behind them, but the suspense is killing me haha!

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Just now, valeparklife said:

Ironside, Nouble, Oates crossed off isn't leaving us with much!

I see Vadaine Oliver posted a farewell message on Twitter today so he will be available - again, not overly inspiring as he's never impressed me at Crewe or Northampton.

Whoever it is, I'll get behind them, but the suspense is killing me haha!

Scratch that - Oliver has signed for Gillingham!

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2 hours ago, Burslem Academicals said:

PV1973.....in an attempt to make sense of Frank Sinclairs role don't think any in the first team matchday squad will need to do extra sessions but maybe say Cambell-Gordon/Hurst/Rodney and say Lovett and Bradbury if signed while if say Crookes isn't making the matchday squad then inorder to maintain fitness/sharpness/focus and they will not be training with the youth team but hopefully one or two stand out youth players will be included in any such extra sessions....if the idea is to get fringe U23 players fast tracked with extra coaching and get a few of the best potential youth graduates ready for professional life it kinda makes sense.

It will be the youth players coming through from the U18’s reading between the lines. I’m sure he will also help out in coaching the first team, particularly the defensive side. Might also be talent spotting, as someone mentioned on his twitter he has been to watch Rodney. Overall, a very positive appointment.

On another note, I’m intrigued to know who the potential big name signing is that people ‘in the know’ keep going on about. Sounds like it could just be a load of Chinese whispers. 

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Ive spent a bit of time with Devante Cole. He's a really nice guy. Got a lot of contacts in the North West so I'd be surprised to see him move back south but he was keen on a move to London when he went to Wigan. Would be a great signing at league Two but personally think he will end up back in league one 

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41 minutes ago, Emile said:

Ive spent a bit of time with Devante Cole. He's a really nice guy. Got a lot of contacts in the North West so I'd be surprised to see him move back south but he was keen on a move to London when he went to Wigan. Would be a great signing at league Two but personally think he will end up back in league one 

He hasn't really progressed, seems to have gone backwards if anything as a player.

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On 04/08/2020 at 19:36, tisdeano said:

So we sign Sinclair to develop young talent then we go into meltdown when we dare get some young talent on trial emoji2369.png

Hahaha!!! Keep banging on about bringing in "an old head"...someone who's "been there and done it"...yet, list after list shows these are not available - which means we'd have to tempt one away from his current club...which means a biggish transfer fee! If younger players can't learn something from Cullen, Pope and Frank Sinclair they probably won't kick on. If we only sign a decent backup keeper, now, I'll be happy with this squad even if we sign 21yr old Bradbury and no other striker.

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2 hours ago, JRC said:

He hasn't really progressed, seems to have gone backwards if anything as a player.

Yeah hasn't worked out for him since Fleetwood but when he was there he was excellent 

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Hahaha!!! Keep banging on about bringing in "an old head"...someone who's "been there and done it"...yet, list after list shows these are not available - which means we'd have to tempt one away from his current club...which means a biggish transfer fee! If younger players can't learn something from Cullen, Pope and Frank Sinclair they probably won't kick on. If we only sign a decent backup keeper, now, I'll be happy with this squad even if we sign 21yr old Bradbury and no other striker.
Excellent post agree with that.
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