Brexit again...

[Jacko51]

10 hours ago, For Us All said:

Why did they vote three times against May's withdrawal agreement then?

Whipped in most cases. Why?  God knows. 

[geosname]

3 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Whipped in most cases. Why?  God knows. 

I doubt even he/she knows Jean 

[Jacko51]

1 hour ago, Davebrad said:

surely that means they are elected to represent the views and aspirations of the people of their constituency... not crumble under party whips.

So why isn’t JRM a remainer??

[Davebrad]

17 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

So why isn’t JRM a remainer??

ergo ken Clarke, amber rudd...

the uk's independent fact checking charity on 30/4/19 published on their web page:-

406 constituencies voted leave- 242 voted remain.

they estimated 64% of seats in GB voted leave.

by party- lab. 148 leave, 84 remain.

              con. 247 leave. 80 remain.

it does say these figs are not quiet perfect but the trend is broadly correct...

[For Us All]

3 hours ago, Jacko51 said:

Perhaps, like Dave, they are annoyed that JRM went against the wishes of his constituents, a majority of whom voted to remain???  Just a thought.

So that makes it alright for mob protests outside his home then does it?It might be a better idea to wait until the next General Election and vote him out.

Mind you I suppose that would be too democratic for the Remainer hypocrites,far more fun to go around in packs abusing him and his kids.

 

 

[Jacko51]

5 minutes ago, For Us All said:

So that makes it alright for mob protests outside his home then does it?It might be a better idea to wait until the next General Election and vote him out.

Mind you I suppose that would be too democratic for the Remainer hypocrites,far more fun to go around in packs abusing him and his kids.

 

 

Who said it made it right?  

[Jacko51]

20 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

ergo ken Clarke, amber rudd...

the uk's independent fact checking charity on 30/4/19 published on their web page:-

406 constituencies voted leave- 242 voted remain.

they estimated 64% of seats in GB voted leave.

by party- lab. 148 leave, 84 remain.

              con. 247 leave. 80 remain.

it does say these figs are not quiet perfect but the trend is broadly correct...

Ken Clarke’s constituency voted 57% Remain so unlike JRM, he is reflecting their views.  

What’s your point?

[Fosse69]

2 hours ago, geosname said:

Votes always matter mate, whether you win or lose you get your say...... and it's about the only say you get.

Whether I have voted or not has made no difference, the only one that counted was the recent referendum.

[Fosse69]

2 hours ago, Davebrad said:

surely that means they are elected to represent the views and aspirations of the people of their constituency... not crumble under party whips.

True, it is the party system that wrecks democracy, although they should still have the right to make decisions based on the most recent and detailed info set before them. Depending upon leaks does not meet that criteria.i 

[For Us All]

15 minutes ago, Davebrad said:

ergo ken Clarke, amber rudd...

the uk's independent fact checking charity on 30/4/19 published on their web page:-

406 constituencies voted leave- 242 voted remain.

they estimated 64% of seats in GB voted leave.

by party- lab. 148 leave, 84 remain.

              con. 247 leave. 80 remain.

it does say these figs are not quiet perfect but the trend is broadly correct...

Those numbers mean nothing Dave if the losers don't accept defeat.

This is the only reason this is still going on.They don't want a no deal but at the same time they don't want May's deal.

They never say what they do want.

The Remainers have managed to string this out for over 3 years and have been doing the EU's job for them.

Now the PM has come up with a deadline and stopped their delaying tactics their plans have been scuppered.How dare  the PM obey the 17.4 million people who voted to Leave.

It left the Remainers screaming 'foul' how 'anti-democratic' it's 'constitutional outrage'.

That's Remainer logic for you.

You couldn't make it up.

[Fosse69]

2 hours ago, geosname said:

With groups offering to remain or leave as a definite a second referendum will flatline

The crux of the problem, does any other country in the world hold a simple majority referendum on a complex constitutional decision. 

[Fosse69]

8 minutes ago, For Us All said:

Those numbers mean nothing Dave if the losers don't accept defeat.

This is the only reason this is still going on.They don't want a no deal but at the same time they don't want May's deal.

They never say what they do want.

The Remainers have managed to string this out for over 3 years and have been doing the EU's job for them.

Now the PM has come up with a deadline and stopped their delaying tactics their plans have been scuppered.How dare  the PM obey the 17.4 million people who voted to Leave.

It left the Remainers screaming 'foul' how 'anti-democratic' it's 'constitutional outrage'.

That's Remainer logic for you.

You couldn't make it up.

The numbers of constituencies is interesting but it does not matter, it does not affect the result of the referendum, which was flawed from the start. A 60/40 result would have been decisive and without all the arguments.

[For Us All]

21 minutes ago, Jacko51 said:

Who said it made it right?  

Glad to hear you weren't supporting their actions.👍

[TheSage]

The job of MPs and of Parliament is to act in the best interests of the country.

The majority voted for leave. We know that. And if a deal can be arranged that doesn't crash and burn our economy and harm the UK then fine let's do it. I don't want it, no. I still think remain was the best option and the shenanigans of the last few years have only strengthened my views. But if we negotiate some sort of agreement/customs union, perhaps that's the best way forward. No Dealers will scream no but if you want to unite the country you have to meet in the middle. You have to. Remainers wouldn't like it because we're leaving but at least we are not making everyone poorer and trashing the economy. We could if necessary have a further vote down the line as Wilson did to see if we're all happy with the outcome.

People talk about Project Fear but most of it is coming true. The pound has tanked. The economy is on the brink of recession. Car manufacturing is at it's lowest point since 2001. House repossessions are as bad as they've been for three years. Personal debt is at record levels. Foreign inward investment has tailed off. Companies have left and are leaving the UK and setting up business in EU countries. These things have happened. You might not like it and they won't make headlines in the press but they are the facts of the matter. Warnings made are coming true. Read Operation Yellowhammer, the government's own paper (not mine), the one that they won't publish in case it puts the fear of god into people.

I too don't support anyone being harangued or harassed, whoever they are, but if you close down debate and shut Parliament you will get a reaction. You might not realise how serious many people think it is. A bloke with a dodgy moustache did the same thing in the thirties when he purported to be doing what the people wanted. It's a slippery slope. It's no wonder very many respected statesmen are aghast, on both sides of the debate.

 

[Davebrad]

1 hour ago, Jacko51 said:

Ken Clarke’s constituency voted 57% Remain so unlike JRM, he is reflecting their views.  

What’s your point?

just showing the leave/remain constituencies, and the lab/tory divide...